I would like to see what a bill proposal would look like based on the below, if you know how to write a bill that can hold the potential to become law if passed, please help! The below quote was taken from the Anti-Abrahamic Philosophy page on facebook that I admin and the domino effect that would occur if such could become law and be a law that is followed would be an interesting case to study, but first I'd like to see a convincing mock bill and spread it around to the gullible to gather some data on their reactions and translate said data into answers for a few sociological questions pertaining to humanistic morals or the lack of such held amongst the religious. Basically the religious reformations mentioned would mandate a rewriting of religious texts that fail the screening described, can religious people take their own faith seriously when their holy book has been rewritten to take out support for bad influences?
"The boundaries between religion and cult would best be redefined as to strip certain ideologies from federal and constitutional protections. If such would bare positive results other countries could follow such a measure.
(1) Has this "religion" been historically known to organize armies with the basic motivation behind such being "religious" supremacy, has the "Religion" in question been known to have hate groups form from it? (2) Does a book commonly deemed to be a worthy life guidebook contain any support for the wrong that has been committed in the name of such? (If there is no worthy life guidebook centered in the middle of such, but instead a person) Does the leader/spokesperson of your "Religion" support any atrocities committed in the name of the "Religion"? (3) Does the leader of the "Religion" promote isolation from non-believers and use something based in fear to unite followers? (1+2 being yes=Cult, 2+3 being yes=cult, 1+2+3 being yes=cult).
A religious reformation would be encouraged for any religious group failing the cult classification test and if a reformation attempt would meet expectations, said religious group could earn back religious classification."
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Feel free to reply to any comment by clicking the "Reply" button.I guess from my own standpoint I've always wanted to see
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some sort of wider recognition that religion is primitive philosophy and that arguably the freedom is freedom of religion. However, I'm not sure by "recognition" that I mean codification or legal.
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I do think that there is value in widely discussing where the line is drawn between freedom of philosophy/belief/religion and obeying the law and proactive actions taken by the government against violent cults. This question is begged by Islamic Terrorism, but as well by other violent cults. However, my overall take on your wording and approach is that you have not thought through properly what would happen if legislation such as this were adopted. It would, I think, inevitably be used to oppress all manner of belief/philosophy/religion. Even if we were to try to adopt some sort of proactive wording that gets at trying to make government more vigorous in protecting us from violent cults (and I'm not saying this is a good idea), then the wording you've chosen goes way (way) too far in my view. I believe the error should be erring to the side of recognizing the importance of freedom of belief/philosophy/religion, not to recognizing having government diagnose what is and is not a dangerous belief/philosophy/religious system.
kmaz
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Jan 27, 2019
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kmaz:
I don't know what you're trying to say as far as how the 6th commandment wording debates pertain to this exactly, but I can take your point as to some possible need to look at how the US Federal Government looks at defining a cult.
kmaz:
I disagree with this. I do think it's valuable to give consideration to what the government defines as a cult and doesn't, but I think your approach is overboard and (IMO) the net result would be a backlash against those trying to enforce those definitions. I do not agree with the loose or broad definitions of a cult that seem to be above, and, more importantly, must point out that a likely result of an attempt to enforce those definitions is they would probably very quickly be utilized against atheists, amongst others.
As well, while it is true that an examination of the texts of the old testament show that it contains the seeds of violence and delusion (witness for example what happened to (many of?) those who failed to toe the line while Moses was off receiving some commandments).... it also seems true that many modern Christians are simply good friends to some of us and good sustaining members of their communities. Personally, I am not going to tell them what they can and cannot think, and I am not going to support my government doing so.
Such a bill would not pass today, since it would classify both Christianity and Islam as cults, and over 75% of Americans consider themselves Christian.
What federal and Constitutional protections would you want to eliminate with such a bill, beyond tax-exemption?
sfvpool
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Jan 25, 2019
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@Secular_Squirrel But, you didn't answer my question, "What federal and Constitutional protections would you want to eliminate with such a bill, beyond tax-exemption?" Or, is it just tax-exemption you want to eliminate?
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