Jesus fucking Christ, insulting Islam is now a punishable offense in the EU court of human right
We are fucking doomed
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Feel free to reply to any comment by clicking the "Reply" button.Beware, however, that incidents like this are generally used by the religious far right to turn the public against the ECHU, which was created by the UK after WW2 to prevent a recurrence of the human rights abuses that happened under the Nazis.
When an individual incident isn't judged the way we might like, by a particular judge's interpretation of a series of sensible rules, be very very wary of using it to vilify the whole system - that's exactly the kind of conflation that increases public ignorance and prejudice and results in ridiculous things like Brexit and a Tory government.
Jalnor
Level 6
Nov 8, 2018
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Very true, however when a legal institution deliberately and obviously decides to ignore both the spirit and letter of the law in order to pursue a course of appeasement, financial and political expediency at the cost of undermining the whole basis of western jurisprudence (ie freedom of expression and speech) we risk far more than an increases public ignorance and prejudice, we risk the destruction of our entire way of life, social ethics and an semblance of justice, in favour of plutocracy under the ,ask of theocracy.
Reading this and the other comments here, you come off as a dog with a bone absolutely unwilling to consider letting it go. Have you stopped to wonder if, perhaps, your (rather bullish) expression of this view in the face of many people urging caution and pointing out that the situation is more complex, is in fact a lot like a religious person resolutely refusing to entertain the notion that their world view might be wrong?
It all depends on definitiuons. 'Insulting' Mohammed is surely not the same as criticising Islam in general and what we are told was the behaviour of Mohammed. We can do the same with any religion. I am a great believer in 'religious hatred' - I hate all religions. I think they are harmful and immoral, but I think education is the way forward, not insult.
CeliaVL
Level 7
Nov 7, 2018
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Very well put, however in this case I am not concerned with which religion or religious personage feels itself insulted, I am worried about the destruction of free expression and the reporting of truth bu the perverting of existing laws under the guise of religious freedom, in to de facto blasphemy laws placing religion both outside of and above secular law.
@LenHazell53 I absolutely agree. I think there should be no such thing as blasphemy laws at all, anywhere.
Why on earth should we be forced to tolerate a religion that stands in direct opposition to Western Enlightenment values?
Mohammed was a dirty, lying, backstabbing bastard, ever ready to murder to propagate his delusions. Are these the qualifications of a prophet? Muslims deserve no respect for following the rants of this arsehole.
History shows that wherever there has been an Islamic settlement, within a few generations there is bloodshed.
rcandlish
Level 7
Nov 6, 2018
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Why should we be forced to tolerate undue privilege given to any religious institution born of primitive superstition and ignorance.
@LenHazell53 I agree. But some are more threatening than others. Personally I don't have a problem with Taoism and Buddhism. Abrahamic Theism though stinks through and through, whatever its complexion.
There's just too much fear here. Some of the disgusting "facts" from the old testamant are glossed over. The US has its very own group of religious fanatics, see Waco etc. Here in Europe we take a dim view of anyone undertaking activities which might lead to a public order offence. In the US anything seems to go under the banner of free speech.
Trouble is like guns, if you want free speech you must be held to a level of responsibility for what you say. Hate speech is illegal. Pointing at Muslims is disingenuous.
Flettie
Level 7
Nov 6, 2018
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I am not simply pointing at Muslims, I am pointing at the power of religion to wheedle it's way back in to a privileged place in the law, where they hold an untouchable position that would not be tolerated for any other institution, organisation, individual or ideology.
Stating facts cannot be allowed to become a legal offence, no matter how offensive some people may find it.
@LenHazell53 stating facts has been a criminal offence for years I'm a signatory to the OSA. If you have some fact that you believe will cause a public order offence then you should be very quiet about it. This is not new.
There are too many of them so do not offend them or they will eat all your food.
Xanadutoo
Level 7
Nov 6, 2018
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Appeasement, well that has a fine history of success when dealing with fanatics doesn't it.
I doubt they are presenting that in the correct context, but putting their own spin on it to make it moe controversial.
snytiger6
Level 9
Nov 6, 2018
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IN what possible context is it permissible for someone to be arrested for stating an historical fact?
The Prophet Mohammed did marry a six year old girl and consummate that marriage when she was nine. No one disputes that, not even Islam itself, that makes him a paedophile, how is stating that an illegal action?
@LenHazell53 Not sayign I agree with it, but the backgrouhnd behind it seems very limited, One comment said that it was only under certain circumnstances, so there are some limitations which they never mention in the video. I jus think it is bad enough. They dont' have to spin it to make even more controversial than it othersie would be.
@LenHazell53 it must be great to have a monopoly on the facts. You just want to be inflammatory without taking responsibility for the ramifications.
@webspider555
So?
He is held up by Muslims as the perfect man, one to be followed and emulated, incapable of wrongdoing FOR ALL TIME so pointing out his faults (and he still did want to marry and consummated a marriage with a child) is for Muslims as relevant today as it ever was.
We are probably talking about a time when it was okay to sacrifice babies
are you saying that was okay too, because it was a long time ago? Of course you are not, time does not mitigate barbarism, on the alter or in the bed chamber.
This is terrible and the influence of the Muslims is just beginning to show it's place soon it will be against the law to criticize any religion.
Marine
Level 8
Nov 6, 2018
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True, this sets a precedent, a dangerous precedent when the highest is openly backing a decision to make telling truthful comments on the lives of religious figures is an illegal action, punishable by law.
OTHER than when it is done by another or the same religion.
Religion is not above the law, but is being afforded the privilege of being so.
WHY?
Yep, you're doomed. This cannot end well. Have an exit strategy. Currently working on mine todays election will hopefully slow down the carnage here in the US.
Willreef
Level 6
Nov 6, 2018
1
I have never been pro brexit, but after this I'm beginning to feel the sooner the better.
@LenHazell53 I smell gammon
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