Call me Mr Stupid if you like but I am even more confused about Brexit than I have been before!
When does someone make a decision as to what is happening? 
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Lots of people can make lots of decisions, but that is not enough, every decision has to be ratified and investigated and then finally agreed to.
We do not yet, thankfully, live in a dictatorship where the uninformed whim of one or another selfish idiot is a law unto itself, that everyone else must suffer for.
LenHazell53
Level 9
June 19, 2019
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Marionville has put it in a nutshell, but one of the biggest problems now is that people have painted themselves into corners and can't back down without losing face. And since they are mostly middle-aged men we know how they feel about that. I don't like the EU very much but in many ways the rest of Europe is more civilised than the UK and the EU is the UK's biggest trading partner. My preference, too, is for a general election, where brexit is downplayed and the important issues which face the UK are brought into prominence. Once working people see a better fututre for themselves and their families, brexit will be less of a protest vote and it might be easier to get people to be rational about it.
CeliaVL
Level 7
June 19, 2019
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Decision to have another people's vote is the best decision politicians could make.
Mcflewster
Level 8
June 19, 2019
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We should never have been told that a simple yes majority would take us out, and that it would be easy to do. That was an oversimplification of a very complex relationship we have with the EU, and without any mention of the fact that the EU border would be in the middle of the island of Ireland....a border that we fought a bloody war with the IRA over for thirty years. The Brexiteers told us that we we would be better off financially and the NHS would be the beneficiary, that we could control and stop immigration, get the same trading terms with the EU as we have at present but with the added advantage of being able to negotiate better trading deals with the USA and the rest of the world. In other words they lied and sold the people who voted YES a false prospectus. Mrs, May wasn’t a bad negotiator, she was trying to do the impossible....Parliament, the body which we elect to represent us is doing us a favour by rejecting the deal she brought before it. A new PM will not change the fact that we will be worse off after we leave, with a deal....but infinitely worse off without one. My choice is another referendum or a General Election....but the current situation cannot go on indefinitely that is clear, and at present we will be out in 31st October regardless of whomever we have as PM.
Marionville
Level 10
June 19, 2019
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Minor correction: Theresa Mayhem was an example of a terrible negotiator trying to do what a good negotiator would struggle to look like they'd succeeded at doing. If she were a good negotiator, she wouldn't have gotten much farther, but she went in with the attitude of "they need us more than we need them and I just have to be tough with them," then Corbyn accomplished more in one day by going in saying, "sorry about her... I know this isn't what any of us wanted, but how can we make the best of it?"
@Jalnor I disagree...she was not negotiating singe handed, she had a team of negotiators...these same civil servants and ministers who we are told will be able to forge fantastic deals around the world after Brexit! I believe the EU when they say that Britain negotiated hard and that this is the best deal that is available. A negotiation is a two way deal...and we were always going to be the weaker side, after all we are the ones wanting to leave, it wasn’t the EU who blocked us leaving with a reasonable deal, it was the Brexiteers in her own party aided and abetted by the DUP. Corbyn has been irrelevant in any of this, he has sat on the fence and not really committed to any policy to leave or stay. With the Tories in complete disarray Labour should be miles ahead in the opinion polls...but they are not. There is complete disaffection with both major parties at present which is allowing Farage and his lot to gain momentum....nobody will win if he gains power!
Yeah... I'm not too impressed with most of her negotiators either - like the guy that stepped down saying "who knew Calais was so important to our trade?" They're a bunch of bumbling egomaniacal money-suckers. You're quite right about who's at fault, I just think it was quite telling that Corbyn had one meeting with the EU after Mayhem's deal was rejected the first time and all of the EU leaders were like, "yeah, he's a good guy, we'd have much preferred to have been talking to him and the actual qualified lawyer he appointed as shadow brexit secretary instead of that shower of morons."
I still maintain that we should be having another referendum that includes the option "admit the UK was on drugs and cancel article 50" 
But I am indeed annoyed at Corbyn for not coming out in support of the massively popular opinion among his party supporters. He's been getting "advised" on how to politician so much that he's forgotten it was him taking a stand for his principles that got him the leadership in the first place and only that will get him into number 10.
I am not pro-brexit particularly, but I do have to say that it was a sad day for democracy when the vote was passed, since it was plain that it would never happen. The political establishment had too much invested in Europe, plus too much corruption to be uncovered. My thought at the time was that, they will argue and fudge and complicate endlessly, until everyone has lost every thread, and then produce something out of the mess that no one, not even they, can understand, but which is designed to look like brexit without really being brexit. And guess what is happening.
Fernapple
Level 9
June 19, 2019
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I think ordinary people have plenty invested in the EU as well. It was always about unifying Europe to stop all the killing. Trade is the obvious way to get closer more quickly, but trade was not what motivated the architects of a united Europe. I, for one would be happy to see closer political ties, even a European State, which could grow very slowly while its members maintained local and cultural identities.
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