So, the UK government has twice been defeated in parliament. Next step? Tender your government's resignation to the monarch.
The opposition is invited to form a government. It cannot, because it would need an unwieldy coalition, that is united on only one point.
Next step? Two thirds majority or not, there has to be a general election called.
That's what my crystal ball says. How do your balls (crystal, you filthy minded swine!) portend?
Looking at the situation as it on Thursday morning - it may have changed now.
The government has collapsed and must now govern under the will of parliament. This may make the Tories have to resign their position and let others take charge.
No deal is being taken off the table. Since the EU have stopped negotiations, that makes no difference.
The proroging of parliament may or may not be going ahead, but the peoples question must be debated in parliament first.
The PM has asked for a general election. The Brexit party may make strong gains against Labour, putting the Tories back into power with a coalition. Problem with that is afterwards there could be an array of feckwits in parliament who have a single agenda and no skills. What then? Lots of tiny by-elections as they disappear after causing a bloody mess.
What if Corbyn wins? Money makers leave.
Quite plausible. A good, dispassionate assessment.
@Sofabeast Good luck with your studies. As Petter said I didn’t realise such a thing as politics existed in America!
@Geoffrey51 The US system has grown too large without evolving
Here's an interesting comment from Nigel Farage, reported by the BBC:-
< Meanwhile, The Brexit Party leader Nigel Farage has warned Mr Johnson that he "cannot win an election, whenever it comes, if the Brexit Party stands against him".
However, if they were to make a pact during a general election "with a clear policy, we'd be unstoppable", he told BBC Breakfast. >
What did I comment below???
I see through the mist and in the unknown future a complete restart of written constitution, new voting system, better MP and MEP communications with their constituents. Lots of messy things before that though.
Look where the last general election got us: a Conservative coalition with the DUP, which in turn plays a role in the backstop being a deal breaker between what the UK wants and what the EU is prepared to offer.
As long as they block no deal, I'm happy. I don't want one of my largest local employers (Vauxhall) to shut down, and I don't want to see Northern Ireland transformed back into a war zone, and live in fear of both Irish paramilitaries and Islamic jihadists, here on the mainland.
It's a shame we can't compile a register of people who still want out, even if it comes at the cost of no deal. Then we could send them to the back of the queue in the event of food or medicine shortages, since they were the ones who were supposedly willing to make those sacrifices, while many of us were not.
Whilst there may be shortages, they would be temporary. That is not an issue.
Industry IS an issue, but have you considered a comparison of British car company ownership and market share from 35 years ago (the start of Britain's entry negotiations with the EU) against the figures of 5 years ago? (The start of Britain's brexit move)
Do look into it. Try reading this (rather long) history, which is organised into "eras", including the 1987 to 2001 period.
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Brexit or no Brexit, I fear for the British car industry, where production costs are paramount.
Where I live, in Spain, the average worker earns 1.300 to 1,500 euros per month. (£1,200 to £1,400)
Can UK industry match that. Yet people from other parts of the EU come to Spain because they can earn more than in their own, Eastern European, country.
@Petter Shortages of medicines is definitely an issue. Some of the medication I am on comes from Belgium, Bulgaria, and Spain. I have had difficulty with continuity of supply with the Belgian-made drug some years ago, and would not like the stress of that again. And I am just one in 650,000 people with my condition.
@Red_Cat
a) Medicines would be given priority. The supplying countries would not deliberately stop supplying them. Their own citizens would create an outcry.
b) Is this medication not also produced in non-EU countries?
By the way, was not this once fine British company itself a casualty of Britain joining the EU?
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@Petter The NHS does not always have control of availability. I trust them to do their job. Continuity of supply is now a three-sided situation, involving manufacturers, NHS, and politics. If a container load of drugs arrives at Dover post-Brexit, and is held in a queue, or if the retail end of the supply chain has to balance forward-planning with a dipping pound, uncertainty is the result, to say the least. Furthermore, if a patient has been switched to a generic substitute because the CCG is strapped for cash, and the substitute is unavailable, there becomes a problem of supply by the pharmacist, who is bound by the prescription, which is written by a GP who does not have the funds to buy the branded version of the drug. Problem? What problem? Or perhaps you get my drift?
Or was your question a red herring?
This particular issue is highly topical in view of today's outrageous attack by Mogg on Dr David Nichol, the Consultant Neurologist who advised the government prior to "Operation Yellowhammer" being compiled. Dr Nichol warned specifically about drugs for the treatment of neuropathic pain and epilepsy. Some of the most potent are made in other EU countries, including the generic versions. I trust the experts, particularly those employed by the NHS. Mogg is an oaf in a suit.
...... and the Farage factor?
If the Brexit party field candidates in those Labour strongholds that voted FOR Brexit, they will in all likelihood weaken Labour's parliamentary strength.
But if they also field candidates in Tory areas, then the Conservatives too will lose seats. The Lib Dems are certain to lose out.
It would certainly be "interesting" if the government were to resign before the end of this week, with parliament due to halt until mid October.
For once the opposition is united....Jeremy Corbyn has been persuaded not to jump at the idea of an immediate election, against his natural instinct to do so. The immediate danger to the U.K. is leaving the EU without a deal on 31st October, that has to be taken off the table before any election is agreed. Boris and Cummings have overplayed their hand by throwing out their rebels, they thought the threat of deselection would bring them into line, but it made them even more determined to vote against the government. We are in untested territory now....so each day brings a new uncertainty. The one thing that is certain is that there will have to be an election....it’s just a question of when, but that can’t be predicted.
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