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The word ‘fucked’ comes to mind!

And I thought it was about getting the best person for the job! What hypocritical shit!

[independent.co.uk]

Geoffrey51 8 Jan 22
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Well I still remember Margaret Beckett doing a great job as Labour leader even if only an "interim" leader.

MattHardy Level 7 Jan 22, 2020

She did too. I had forgotten about that!

Agree...she would have been a good choice as permanent leader.

@Marionville I was hoping she'd get it. But they guy they picked did alright (with one or two overwhelming exceptions)

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Maybe Lavery is secretly a Conservative.

Petter Level 9 Jan 22, 2020
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Long-Bailey is Corbyn in all but name and gender. If Labour want to be reduced to a rump of militant lefties...less a serious electoral prospect and more a protest movement, then they’ll elect her. Starmer is my choice, but I think Lisa Nandy is quite a sensible alternative. Thornberry should fall out next, she is completely useless. For Ian Lavery to suggest that Keir Starmer should stand aside for Long-Bailey indicates that those running the party have not understood the reasons why they lost the recent election so spectacularly!

@OwlInASack The new leader needs to win over the electorate...something a continuation of Corbynism won’t do. Pragmatism is what will win, not trying to take on the right-wing press, that’s a David & Goliath battle that they will not win. Labour lost swaiths of support in the North of England because they weren’t listening to what the voters told them, and just repeating that mistake and still not listening will not win these voters back. Many of Labour’s policies are great, but they need to get elected first in order to implement them. They had too many policies and the voters didn’t believe that they could deliver them. This election of a new leader is the most important decision they will ever have had to make, and electing the right one for the country and the future of the Labour Party is crucial. This cannot be allowed to just be a vanity project to protect the left wing idealism of the internal party. The Party need to look outwards not inwards, it needs to compromise some of its purity and socialist ideals unless it wishes to become an irrelevance and wallow in perpetual opposition. They need to stop the rot now and put the antisemitism debacle behind them by acting swiftly should any further party members step out of line. Things that have already happened cannot be changed, but learning from past mistakes and making sure they are not repeated can, and must be top priority.

@OwlInASack I have great sympathy for everything you say...but they need to get elected in order to implement any of their policies, to do that they will need to change something! The Tory press isn’t going to change and it’s always been right wing anyway. Even though they helped the Tories, it wasn’t entirely due to them that large numbers of previously staunch Labour voters decided to back Boris against Corbyn. Labour need to unite around a credible leader whom everyone in the country could envisage being Prime Minister, not just party members. I’m not a party member, so have no axe to grind against any members of the PLP, whether they backed Corbyn or not., but those who couldn’t see him as a leader were actually the ones who were in tune with the electorate, not the ones who did. I hope there are not too many who think the way you do because it doesn’t seem to me that you have learned much from the recent defeat as you are defending all the things that put the voters off Labour. Corbyn and the Party machinery were much too slow to get to grips with the antisemitism allegations and allowed them to be used by their opponents to smear them. My point is that this all has to be put in the past, but you don’t seem to be able to draw a line under it because you are still defending it. Right or wrong, whatever happened in the past, just move on now and find a way of beating the Tories by whatever means you can.

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He wants Long Bailey as leader, but she is just a shadow of Corbyn and would be a disaster for the party. Nandy is a confirmed unionist, Don't fancy her. Thornberry seems moderate and is pro European but doesn't have the support, so it looks like SIr Keir..

Moravian Level 8 Jan 22, 2020

Let’s hope so. I had cause to use him as my brief several years ago and he is passionate about his belief in fairness.

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Starmer is probably too posh for him.

Moravian Level 8 Jan 22, 2020
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