"In God We Trust" is on United States Currency
Why do we allow this when it goes against the constitution?
It was put on during the McCarthy era. One can cross out the saying and FFRF has a stamp that changes the saying to In reason we trust.
"In Government-backed Promissory Paper Notes We Trust"
Isn't is funny how these opponents of the deep state still use the stuff.
That slogan was not added to the fiat currency until the 1930's. God in the Masonic sense does not refer to Yahweh or the Judaic deity. The founding fathers were deist and Masonic. They believed in a higher power. And the Masonic president who placed that slogan on the fiat currency is saying the same. Most Christians are ignorant, they know not history. To them "in god we trust" is a testimony of the christian values adopted by this country. However the historical record shows us that, although this country was founded on theologies escaping the persecution of catholicism. The lower conscious beings did not create the 13 colonies, nor did they create the movement away from the bank of England and King Charles II. This is a long way of stating, that things are not as they appear. Masonically God refers to a Higher Power or better yet a Higher Conscious State of Being. And that this Higher Consciousness is a movement towards an egalitarian utopian society. However, totalitarianism, fascism, plutocracy, and aristocracy have affected the functionality of the philosophy of the founding fathers. The founding fathers hated democracies and the political theories there of. The United Sates is a Republic, that is currently controlled by corporations or corptocracy. And to the Republic for which it stands.....
And to be honest with you I am not sure what the intentions of the founding fathers were towards the commons. I mean they were well educated, spoke several languages, masonic, lawyers, titled nobility, surveyors, merchants, ect... I do know they did not wish to give the commons the right to vote, this is why the electoral college exists.
It was added in the 50's. At the FFRF conventions they hold a raffle where one can trade clean money for dirty money. I have a clean (no god crap) bill.
@JackPedigo
So it was added in the 50's. The premise is still the same. I am not perfect, however .... there exists a high degree of accuracy in historical data. I was thinking in the creation of the fiat currency and the U.S. bankruptcy. Needless to say facts are right historically and philosophically.
@Etre The saying did not get on the coins until early in the 19th century.
@JackPedigo
Wikipedia says 1864 on coinage and 1957 on fiat currency. So yes I was wrong on the date, but the history is correct.
@Etre If our country was based on Christianity why wasn't this reflected in our money? Here is something most people don't know about: [usconstitution.net]
@JackPedigo
I never stated that the country was based on christianity. In fact the founding fathers were deists, not christian. What I stated was the first people to settle here from England were those seeking religious freedom. This is 100% evident in the history books. Several christian dogmas came here before Catholicism came to the colonies. You are talking about the constitution. I am speaking of the colonies before the break from England. So i think we are just off the tracks, a little. But the premise is the same, colonies, religious freedom, founding fathers ideology, break from egland, constitution, religious freedom, christianized population or commons, founding father ideology and deism as a ruling class, commons get electorial college as presidents are chosen and the vote is scewed(even controlled in that time), ....
What you need to remember is the literacy rate. The commons were not educated and could not read. Most of the knowledge is learned in a 1st year history course at any university or college.
@Etre My connection is the fact that Christians always point to the saying on our currency to justify their belief this is a Christian nation. The original posting concerned the Constitution and we started our own side discussion. BTW I was also wrong about the coinage. I was led to believe it came much earlier. This sort of tactic is always exploited by the religious people. Constantine did not make Rome a Christian city. He moved the seat of Roman rule to Turkey and, as he saw how divisive religion was, made all religions equal. He personally adopted some tenets of Christianity but stayed primarily with his pagan beliefs. It's the usual foot-in-the-door tactic.
It doesn't bother me. It doesn't say which god, and to some people money IS god. There is Freemasonry symbolism all over US currency and I'm not a Mason but that doesn't bother me, either. You gotta pick your battles and I don't see wasting energy on such a trivial one.
..don’t know how many youth I’ve overheard (working within schools) ‘legitimizing’ the ‘existence of a god’ because, “It says it on our money!”... It fuckin matters - or it wouldn’t be there..
I'm guessing the separation between church and state doctrine speaks to a particular doctrine or church proper. The concept of god does not point to a doctrine or institution but the concept of a generic spirit. If you will, not democratic or republican, but political
You Win! ..fuckin-a… Nice work. I’ve not spent a bill for the last 35 to 40 years without marking out it’s graffiti.. Shit ..thought I was all alone… I got my Atheist Money stamp from our now defunct United States Atheist organization (Portland OR).
I’ve contacted American Atheist twice requesting they make and sell them ..nothing…… lazy bas… I’ve got ink stamps, too; bought up a bunch for ‘my kids’ back in the day ..but neither use bills
‘Who cares’ ask someone..? We do!
That's epic
I agree, it should be removed. It didn’t appear on our money until the 50’s when the county was wanting to make a clear distinction between what was perceived as oppressive and godless people of Communism in Russia and China to the “Free” god fearing people of the US. It was never proper to have that on our money or any other religious symbol on government or the people property. It goes against the separation of Church and State.
It wasn't always there
[en.wikipedia.org] has the how and . Why
Tradition and now grandfathered in, tough to remove. Sort of like if you tried to from scratch make Xmas a national holiday. But it is, so we live with it.