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What's the mechanism by which an otherwise intelligent person believes in blessed trinities, virgin births, heavenly "unsoiled" women to be violated if he dies a martyr's death, holy ghosts, golden tablets (that somehow got misplaced), miracles, original sin, etc.? My smart sister, from whom I'm estranged (a story for another time), believes our deceased father was reincarnated as a male cardinal that appears each morning in a tree outside her kitchen window. This woman has a degree in computer science! I also have a dear friend, purportedly a descendant of Ralph Waldo Emerson, who is---herself---a very talented writer . . . But she also believes she was born a "wretch" who is "saved" by "grace". So, what goes on here?

RobLawrence 7 June 9
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I can't explain your sisters avian fixation.

But with regards to your Emerson-descended friend, the Christian business has spent the past 2,000 years figuring out ways to deceive and manipulate people. This usually starts when they are very young, although they also target adolescents and adults, most often when they are vulnerable because they are in some kind of crisis where Christianity offers to fix everything for free if you will just believe.

Like any good con game, the original offer gets modified, without your prior knowledge or consent, as soon as you take the bait. "Salvation is the free gift that costs you everything". They tell you that you now have to give every detail of your life to the Sky Daddy , who is invisible and doesn't talk to anyone any more. But his servants - ministers and other Christian leaders - are more than happy to tell you what Sky Daddy wants you to do. Miraculously, this often benefits the servants themselves in some way.

It's "mushroom theology" - keep your flocks in the dark and feed them manure. It is no accident. These Christian organizations work at it.

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It seems to me that it is conditioning. Early impressions and education have deep roots. Parental and community beliefs are hard to deny (if one wants to remain in good standing). I have a sister-in-law with altzheimer's. Early memories are the last to go.

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Inductive reasoning will enable anyone to rationalize anything, while deductive reasoning makes avoiding realities that much harder. But paradigms often trump everything else. LOL

@RobLawrence Mea culpa. LLOL

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I'm shooting for 3times 5squared...anything more will be a bonus.

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religion is a fear of death. to give something for the unknown

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If you find an answer - let me know ! I have a well educated sister too, who seems quite reasonable in many ways , and yet she and her husband - also a smarty, and their three grown educated sons and wives, are all Christian nuts. For the life of me, I don't get it ! While we're not estranged, there definitely exists a chasm of difference ...

...and it doesn't read like yur missing any brain cells either.. I’ve watched the same type of friends & relatives use every advantage in society to move ahead in careers and social circles. I felt like the oddball ..refusing to go along to get along… They’re playing into a social system that rewards them for perpetuating a myth, the cost being, their intellectual dignity ..and children forced to do the same 😟

@Varn To quote Yul Brynner in "The King and I" : " Tis a puzzlement !"

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People are smart in different ways. Part of it depends on what field someone is educated in. The more educated you are, the more likely you are to believe climate change is real. But, if you're a climatologist it's almost a certainty. The more educated you are, the less likely you are to be religious. But, if you're a physicist or astronomer, you're much more likely to be a non-believer. Poets may be smart, but not educated in the sciences enough to let go of magical thinking.

So what’s with the so-called ‘biblical scholars?’ Seems they remain tied to a religion, yet appear to pride themselves in pointing out preposterous inconsistencies…

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Everybody believes in evidence. Oddly enough, some people at times put this rational thinking aside and resort to faith. This is irrational thinking but it provides these people with a (false) reason to believe their wishful thinking. Faith also provides answers to unanswerable questions (the god of the gaps).

even Carl Sagan once said the rational part of his brain did not care one bit that he wished to see his parents once again.I agree . It is too hard to imagine this strong bond to be for nothing

@squiggy_70 Irrational as it may be, it gives me a bit of comfort to think that the Rainbow Bridge is there and I'll see my beloved furkids again. But I don't pray to it or anything.

@ArgosFriend yeah exactly. i imagine my mom waiting for me with my fur kids.. i think is not true .. none of it makes any sense. all the heaven and hell stuff. and it is written by people who are alive where is the empirical

@squiggy_70 Yeah -- it's not true, but somehow the thought warms me like a security blanket.

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Although over my head, I think The God Delusion pretty much describes it. These people are delusional. They find great comfort in their delusions. That and their just nuts.

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It's called faith and confession

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There is an interesting mathematical system for the Patriarch’s age at death in the Bible.

Abraham died at 175 years of age. (7times 5squared)= 175

Isaac died at 180 years of age. ……(5times 6squared)=180

Jacob died at 147 years of age…….(3times 7squared)=147

  1. Do you think this mathematical system is a coincidence?

  2. Do you think God arranged this mathematical system for some purpose? What purpose?

  3. Do you think that maybe the writers of Genesis created this mathematical system so the astute reader would know that Genesis is fiction?

Now that you are astute…in the know….what do you think?

Just made up like the bible. By the way your figures were low compared to some I have seen Some of these people were around 1000 if you can believe that. They had a secret for long life that we lost somewhere.

The ages of Abraham. Isaac. and Jacob, the Patriarchs of Judaism are all in the Bible and are correct as I have stated them. @Marine

Yes, I believe the mathematical relationship is a mere coincidence. There is no pattern to the numbers that are squared or the multipliers. That three numbers happen to all be multiples of squares is not that earthshaking.

no I do not think so. I read Judaism does not think the bible was divine created. and of course do not follow the second testament. does anybody from a Jewish background have an opinion? it seems to be a more sensible religion over all. Both are centuries old and nothing new. so science has taken the place of anything new. empirical evidence

That would be quite a coincidence. IMO it was put there to show the story is fiction. @schwinnrider

I think you will notice that Jesus was a Jew and in the gospels he paraphrases verses in the Hebrew Scriptures. Obviously the writers of the gospels believed the Hebrew Scriptures to be true. @squiggy_70

@nicknotes th writer of the gospels believe them to be true but the religion Judiasm does not believe in divine inspiration nor the second testament

@squiggy_70 The Bible is a fictional work of literature. I believe my original comments showing the mathematical relationships of the ages of the Patriarchs proves this point.

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Oh my friend, we could write books about. I have aqcuintances like that too and it does puzzle me but not enough to try to understand it. People believe what they want to believe and sometimes there is nothing we can do

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A mix of Brainwashing and infant indoctrination by terror.
It is hard to break out of it without help, especially when part of the indoctrination is to be indoctrinated at a VERY young age in to believing that even doubting the indoctrination will result in your burning in agony forever.

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It seems humanity in it’s current form is not completely ..done. ‘We’ can’t handle the reality of our limited lives, so make up or remain susceptible to fantasies describing more than there obviously is..

It becomes a trap, though. In order to taste the fantasy, ‘they’re’ forced to swallow it. Guilty of over indulging, they overcompensate by promoting the entire myth ...when all they wanted or needed was just a taste.

When in the safety of good people like us, most will eventually admit the fantasy of their religious affiliations, but the shame they’d endure admitting the same to the world is too much for them. They may even say, ‘I’m not as strong as you.’ Sadly, they’re not..

Varn Level 8 June 9, 2018
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Cognitive dissonance.

JimG Level 8 June 9, 2018
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Compartmentalization. Confirmation bias. Agency inference. Lack of training in critical thinking, especially within certain compartments. Cultural bias towards non-skeptical credulousness about certain things. Social pressure and reinforcement. Dread of one's mortality. Manipulation of various kinds.

What's amazing really is how easy it is to fool the human brain.

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The vedas were written thousands of years ago and they speak of reincarnation. so it has a long history.

How is that relevant?

@JimG it's relevant because they don't just come out and say "we'll be back". Thats not how it works and it's disingenuous to insinuate otherwise. The ideas make more sense when you discuss karma and resultant actions. It's simple and deceptive to dismiss something when you don't give it an adequate explanation.

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