The way I see it goes something like this. Your right of course the founding fathers intentions included the concept of a  secular democratic republic. To insure we remain secular the democratic aspect is limited to the extent that no individuals rights can be abridged by will of the majority. The constitution trumps the will of the majority. 

Right now every Congressmen, Senator, Supreme Court Justice and the President are believers. This goes for appointees too.  For example, the Secretary of Education. is a fanatical fundamenalist zealot with no background in education. Her only qualification is the the fact she donated millions to like minded Republican candidates. She has publicly stated "the Department of Education should be abolished".  She is doing all she can to funnel tax dollars out of public education to finance private religous schools.  

 I don't know about you but I'm pissed off, out raged and shitting bricks my hard earned dollars are being spent on brain washing kids into creationist new world dullards. Our under financed education system is ranked 37th and falling. We are about average for a third world country.

 As non believers we, of all citizens, should be acting like organized, outraged and vocal opposition.  If this travisty doesn't "translate into politics" we will be marginalized right out of society. If nonbelievers choose bury their heads in the sand their voices will never be heard..  

reagan started it by courting the fundamentalists. we've been dealing with the effects ever since

When the political climate affects my family and myself, I personally believe it's worth talking about. Since our current president is a misogynist, bigoted, racist, homophobic/transphobic idiot who is trying to kill off the poor...... Well enough said.

If all political discussions were conducted with dignity and decorum, would you still not want to hear people "getting political"? If all religious believers treated everyone with dignity and decorum, would you feel differently about said believers? Or their religion? Is politics really what bothers you? Politics doesn't bother me. I find it endlessly, perplexingly fascinating. What bothers me is rudeness, lack or respect, self-righteousness, fixity, etc. These things are not endemic to "politics"; they are endic to people. Politics is merely the lens that tends to gather and focus these beams into something that can be used to harm. It's not the lens' fault. Grown-ups have no excuse for being mean. I'm Honestly amazed that society seems to accept and even expect unacceptable behavior in certain situations. Someone tries to pick your pocket or grope your crotch? Sure, scream, curse, and even throw a punch if you wanna. But someome calls you an ugly name or says your ideas are stupid? Be an adult. Would you rather treat the symptom or the disease?

Politics and religion are very similar. They ignore facts in favor of popular opinion and the opinion of old book, respectively. They both influence education in a way that lies are taught in place of facts. For me, governments and religions are the same thing, entities selling you an alternate reality not worthy of recognition. I'm pretty sure if the founding fathers could see the results they would concede that their creation was an abject failure.

At a time when religious zealots are aggressively pushing religion into the public sphere, we are fools if we are NOT political. Also, if we are tolerant and unbigoted, and if we care about the planet we live on, it is incumbent on us to be political in support of those values. I completely disagree with the idea that atheism is apolitical. It isn't.

Religion and politics come together when actions take place "in the name of god". Swearing on the bible in a court of law, for example. Church and state should always be separated in my opinion, but they're often intertwined - especially in Muslim countries, and less so in Christian countries.

That’s probably due to the fact that most members practice critical thinking. But when you practice critical thinking conservative politics become indefensible. Maybe they’re connected in some way.

As long as there are religious people who try to use the government to promote, and implement, their religious beliefs, there will be those who will resist them--and I am one of them.

I know there are other forums on the internet designed strictly for just philosophy or just religion or just politics. I like that this is a place where those of us who share the commonality of agnosticism or atheism can come to discuss whatever topic we choose. If I see something that doesn't interest me, it's easy to just scroll past it.

Politics is vitally important, even though predictably contentious. And it relates, in a way, to spirituality questions. Religion claims to provide us with a framework, a rule book, by which we are admonished to lead our lives. Government does the same thing, but more concretely and with the force of law. Politics is the battle for influence and control of society's rulebook. As long as religion keeps inserting itself into politics, the impulse for many of us who resent that religious influence to fight back through political criticism will be strong AND warranted.

This site has been a great platform for wide-ranging discussions. I agree that we ideally want to maintain ties to questions of rational understanding, but not only would it be a large dampening effect on the energy of this site to insist on rigid policing, in the case of politics it would be misguided. Politics is a huge battleground for matters of religion.

We've discussed politics for the last two months or longer. Religion relates to politics in this administration bigtime.

I quite like the political posts. It gives me a window on how people from other cultures see their own society - remember, this forum has members from all over the world.

So far I have only seen polite and reasoned discourse between differing political ideals. If you don't want to join in a discussion, just move along to the next one.

You cannot separate the two. The head of the DOJ has called the separation of church and state unconstitutional. Every year republicans work themselves into a frenzy over the alleged "war on christmas". Republicans consistently try to insert Christianity into the public domain with displays of crosses and the 10 commandments on public property. Republicans across the country have drafted legislation to legalize discrimination based on sexual orientation. Atheists and agnostics must be political if we want to ensure that America remain a constitutional republic and not a Republican theocracy.

There are 16 categories to post to. One of them is politics.

I was once accosted by an idiot while having a friendly 'political' discussion in a bar. He was very upset and told me "We don't talk politics in this bar". I let him know that I'll talk about anything I want at any time I feel it is appropriate to. I also let him know that the only way to be free was the free and unfettered conveyance of information. The more we talk about politics, the less harmful influence it has. He finally had to agree and walked away...

Politics is an ancient Greek philosophy unfortunate in today's society it is more like a B rated soap opera, lost all the intellect it was once meant to reflect. I agree with your post.

Personally, I'd rather not see any topics restricted from discussion. We're all free to engage, or ignore, with whichever topics we choose.

I whole hearted agree. Politics is like some kinda of religion when ever it is discussed.

U never read those post that in the first line/s show an issue I don'; t care for. Simple.