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Has America become like the England it broke away from in 1776?

Like America today, 18th-century Britain operated under a system that protected the powerful and rendered protests, like the 1780 burning of Newgate Prison, ineffective.

Has the U.S. become the 21st century’s British Empire with a privileged minority, the ruling class, imposing their rule on the majority with an iron fist?

Historians have compared the U.S. with ancient Rome, and the British Empire; their symptoms of a terminal disease began with overreach and ended in collapse. But leaders rarely learn, and the people keep paying the price of their ignorance.

This Opinion Article makes the similarity argument, but what do the majority of Americans think? Will the majority make their message clear in the midterms this November?

#Trump #Republicans #Democrats #Congress

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josephr 7 July 23
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From the view of an outsider looking in America looks in far worse shape than c18/19th Britain. Yes, there was a gentry but the power was in the hands of the industrialists as this was the beginning and heyday of the Industrial Revolution. Unless i am mistaken America has no blue collar industry to build upon and technology is now well embedded in Asia. A democratic change would certainly make the people feel better but regardless, what is America's trading commodity. Possibly arms, I don't know but, as an outsider I feel that USA needs to understand that its place in the world is not as crucial as it used to be, and consider what it can do in the global market. Certainly the president's rhetoric is not helpful, but hopefully the other world partners understand that it's not an American ideal but the midnight grumblings of a paranoid, ego- centric man. All I can say is please don't let him bring your great country down. Rome's demise was through implosion rather than external forces. Let's hope you guys can rally before that happens.

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History repeats itself.

As it usually does when those in charge ignore the lessons therein. 😟

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In my experience, the youngsters I interact with (hey, at my age EVERYONE is a "youngster" ) aren't really knowledgable, or interested in real history. But! I frequently ask them: "In Star Wars, who is our country like? The Rebels? Or the Empire?"
The follow-up question is: "And who do you identify with and cheer for?"

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Seeing as your Canadian you need to concentrate on getting rid of that liberal idiot Trudeau and not worry about America. In America you have a right to carry a handgun for self defense. In Canada you don’t. I’ll take America over Canada any time.

Enjoy. When i read something like you have written, i appreciate Trudeau and our differences even more. Be well.

@TiberiusGracchus The half witted American’s are the ones that elected that idiot Obama twice! And the half witted Canadians are the ones who elected that liberal idiot Trudeau!

@TiberiusGracchus What I am most grateful about this site is that I have been forced to reevaluate my awful stereotype of Americans. I thought they were all as stupid as our triend here. I guess because they are the LOUDEST. Usually, gun in one hand, bible in the other. It has been a joy to find so many like minded, enlightened Americans. Our humanist outlook supercedes national borders.
BTW I love the progressiveness of Trudeau's multicultural Cabinet.

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We do have a king now but the empire won't last 300 years.

I would be very surprised if Trump's empire lasts until the end of the decade. There are too many intelligent people rallying against him.

@josephr
You may be underestimating:
The size of his fanatically loyal base.
The apathy of the majority of those of voting age.

@bigpawbullets I know. But I'm the perpetual optimist, always with my refillable cup. LLOL

@josephr I was being Nice and started counting from 1700's.

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The US is more like imperial, 19th-century Britain with its flag-worshipping and bogus sanctitude. What really surprises me is how, having ditched monarchy for a republic, they created semi-regal political dynastic elites such as the Kennedys and Bushes and gave their presidents almost autocratic prerogatives.

Gareth Level 7 July 24, 2018
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We're stumbling into another Gilded Age.

@LimitedLight

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Fair point.

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My usual comparison has been pre-Revolutionary France. I get the distinct feeling all Imperial governments, regardless of actual political philosophy, at a certain point in the long-term timeline, end up following this pattern eventually. Collapse or massive internal conflict often follow.

That's what history indicates.

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One can certainly find similarities. It's saddening to see the demise of our great country.

t1nick Level 8 July 23, 2018

Never give up. It's never over until it is.

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"Will the majority make their message clear in the midterms this November?" We will find out the answer to that on Nov 6.

I hope the democrat get they’re ass beat bad. Hell in my circle of friend and relatives they have very little support.

@Trajan61 Your opinion is noted as is mine.

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Not yet but we are getting there. When I grew up there were no homeless. Now we are replete with folks sleeping in the filth, similar to the 19th century. Children in cages. No unions. Rampant pollution.

I am reasonably sure that there has always been homeless and there most likely always will be.

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As a professional historian, I am always wary of making too close of a comparison. We should study the past to learn from it, but there are so many differences between eighteenth-century England and the twenty-first-century US and the global situations.

Absolutely. It's the similarities which can be devastating however. I believe that's where the learning waits, but only if societies are open to it. Otherwise we will keep on doing it. As we are and have. LLOL

Part of it is the ignorance of history and as a professional historian, I have to combat many myths that are popularized but untrue. One can tell Trump has no clue at all, nor do most of his supporters.

@Skeptic66 And it must be so frustrating for knowledgeable Americans who have to sit and watch the tragic consequences unfold. What's worse may be hunching that those consequences might have been avoided if wiser minds had prevailed.

Unfortunately for the world, those of us with the background and analytical skills do not get consulted.

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45 never really wanted to be president.
He always wanted to be emperor.

Perhaps Czar or Oligarch

@Countrywoman He knows he can't be czar. Vlad won't let him.
And he doesn't understand what "oligarch" means, much less know
whether he'd want to be one.

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