I keep seeing people posting about the allegations of sexual assault against Bill Clinton and how Democrats turn their head when it's one of their own. (This is coming from people who either believe Dr. Christine Blasey Ford is lying or, they believe she was assaulted but think she is mistaken about who did it or, they just feel that sexual assault doesn't really disqualify Brett Kavanaugh from sitting on the Supreme Court.)
Actually, I believe the allegations of sexual assault by these women against Bill Clinton. So, please don't assume you know my thoughts on the matter. I would love to see someone actually go forward with a case against him and have him convicted. But, that's not happening. Until it does, there will be no retribution. I mean, think about it. Bill Cosby was considered "America's Dad" for years until these allegations came forward. And I would never have thought ill of the man until they did. Now, I hope he rots in whatever cell they put him in. I hope Harvey Weinstein is convicted too. I think that Al Franken did the right thing by stepping down. And if charges were brought against him, I would have supported the person bringing them too. So, stop trying to make this about party lines. When you do, you're just being an asshole for the sake of your party support.
Having said that, to the best of my knowledge, the first allegation against Bill Clinton was by Paula Jones and she didn't go public with it until 1994. That was a year after he was already in office. If she had gone public with these allegations before the election, you may very well have seen a different result at the polls during the primary or in the election (if he still made it as the choice in the primary).
These allegations against Brett Kavanaugh are being brought up before he gets the position. They need to be taken seriously. Yet, you're completely willing to disregard them as either false or irrelevant.
The claims against Bill Clinton were relevant. They were relevant enough to bring articles of impeachment against him. There were four total articles brought to the house. Two were considered strong enough to advance. Obstruction of justice and perjury. None of the Democrats in congress voted guilty. (Which I believe shows the stupidity of party support regardless of reality.) But, not all of the Republicans voted guilty either. so, he was acquitted on both accounts.
So, until someone brings charges against Bill Clinton for sexual assault, please shut the fuck up about him. It has no bearing on anything current. And if the women who were assaulted by Clinton don't move forward with charges, you're just throwing out distractions against what is currently going on because you don't want to face it and you don't want to admit that it's important. And that's a shame. You can't feel that sexual assault is a valid issue. You can only use it as a political tool. And, you care nothing for the victims.
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I have experienced both coercive and simple sexual advances. I have been up
close and personal with men that have some kind of undertone of overpowering or even tricking a female into a sexual encounter. I have been exposed to men that wanted to ‘overpower’ me, for their sexual pleasure and there is a big difference...one envokes fear, the other encounter, just needs a clear flat out refusal! I believe that Clinton comes under this last position and Kavanuagh comes under the former! There is a big difference and FEAR, is the element that makes the difference! I can refuse passion, but the power sexual player does not take no...does not even hear the word no, to the best of my knowledge! I remember very clearly Ken Star, and his pursuit of Clinton and the women and I believe Star ‘used’ them...Clinton may have even pressured these women for sex, but it was not the kind of force that says...I don’t care what you say, I want, what I want..,and you can’t stop me! I have experience with both of these sexual advances and there is a major difference! Plus, if too much force is used to fight of a ‘power sexual assault,’ you could get yourself killed!!
Freedompath
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Sep 30, 2018
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@jorj it is not the same. I watched Star at work and Clinton’s behavior...sexual
assault is not the same as sexual attraction.
@jorj I can’t follow your train of thought! I explained myself and this all started way before it ever got to Feinstein!
@jorj my firm belief is that there was some chemistry between these women and Clinton and it went over the line, and there was a power play here! A powerful person, will be an attraction to most women! But we don’t act on them! I have been attracted to many a man in my lifetime, but I knew when it was out of bounds...and not TO BE ACTED ON! So Star, gathered up all these women’s stories and made them abuses, assaults and sinful! I watched it go on from beginning to end! I remember it very clearly because, it became so ridiculous!
@jorj it is a dangerous thing, thinking that you might know what other people are thinking! It is behaviors that you can gauge a few things on, but thinking that you know what others are thinking, will take you down a dead end! I cannot ever remember over my whole life time, meeting a mind reader!
@jorj trump showed us in his past that he does not recognize boundaries...he ‘took’ what he wanted, wheather there was chemistry there or not! We all have boundaries that should be respected! Trump still has no restraint, he shows little respect for anyone’s boundaries...be it someone that ticks him off, a member of the press and EVEN world leaders!
@jorj there was a court case, that has disappeared about the rape of a 13 yr old child by TRUMP, there was a witness...the person who brought the girl to a party or gathering! I can’t possibly keep up with all that goes on where trump is concerned! You are free to research it yourself, many people on this site know about it as well! We have no idea what happened to it!! But, some of us can keep a lot in our minds...maybe not everything, but a gracious plenty!
@jorj be glad when you see a group of people, trying to bring ethical and morality, to the table! Everyone of us will be accountable, so no less than for a person that is to serve on The Supreme Court! I just read that Kavanuagh was demoted by the bar association on complaints! The article is on one of the post tonight!
@jorj struggling for answers never runs in a straight nor logical line. I see that you are disgusted with one or the other side, but this process is not simply and..,for sure all sides have ‘dug in!’ And this is not even finished, yet. Maybe if you are clear where you stand and then see if more information comes out that gives you more understanding one way or the other, you can more easily follow the process, without getting lost in the process! Does that make sense to you? You must settle your emotions so that they don’t get in the way, as you gather information! It is hard to process any thing when our emotions are running away with us. We can be angry, but we must not let our anger take over.
@jorj you say things, I say things, most of the time, I am clear of purpose and even keil and on occasion things come out of my mouth that I don’t mean and if, just those words are picked up, people might question my ‘smarts!’ Nobody is perfect, but what is at issue here is...we have a man of questionable character that is trying to get the position of a Justice on the Supreme Court...this is serious! We need to know this man’s background! When people break the law and go to court, everything possible will be brought to bear on this person. We should do no less with a lifetime appointment to the bench!
@jorj ok...then that is where you stand, until you have the information that you need to make a judgement one way or the other!
@jorj but, don’t get mad at other people because they are not processing information the same way you do. This will also, distract us from our own purpose of gathering information!
@jorj I don’t have tv, and I found out that reading most all my news was better for me. I do not want to be ‘entertained’ getting my news. I want the facts about what took place and I will go to several different sources because I know that one source can’t possibly give me everything! Then I can make a decision, without having other people put their ‘emotional spin’ on the news! Don’t be afraid of legitimate anger...anger is in our nature for a purpose...it is how we use it that makes it useful or destructive! When we are angry, we need to own it and not strike out at others because of it. Just own it...and move passed it, after we understand what we were angry about. Anger is just an energy that needs it’s proper place and proper expression. And with practice you get better and better at using anger correctly! Just what i learned passing onto you...
@jorj a person can only change his/her mind when he/she gets enough information. That is why studing everything is helpful...you can never get too much information!! We can get tired of hearing something, but we can never get too much information! Just allow yourself to find your answers in your own time! If you believe something one way, just state your position and keep going...something in your position may or may not be important to someone else, but no one should be forced to ‘see’ something they can’t ‘see’...at that moment! That would not be ‘truth’ and I think most of us are searching for ‘truth!’
Sounds like you are making the case that all allegations are true.... also if
Dr Fords case was taken to court it would be thrown out
onan180
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Oct 7, 2018
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Thankfully a perjury case is a slam dunk
@onan180 the Cavanaugh was not a trial to put him in jail for sexual assault. It was not a criminal trial, nor is she pressing criminal charges against him. He's going to be sitting on the Supreme Court for life making decisions. if you're Republican, apparently you don't care about his character.
Goood news everone !!!! looks like kavanaugh might be confirmed.... : )
onan180
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Oct 4, 2018
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EMC2:
Now how in hell does your statement compute. You believe he is good? I think he is pathetic. Rich boy off to boarding school and then Yale with never having to worry about what you say, Mom , Dad, and money cure your mistakes. To this day I still believe Clarence Thomas was guilty. But too me the entire thing comes down to Dr Ford, She was credible, she was not paid by Soros,
And then Brett claims the democrats and the Clintons are working to ruin him. WTF/ Even the president believes this Deep State junk and obviously the one I am responding to believes in the boogey man
EMC2:
@onan180 The collusion is very real and knowing what Mueller has gathered already absolutely displays this, And this information is NOT from the left , it is from journalist which are objective. The left has not called Kavanaugh a rapist, they refer to him as a sexual predator, Such as Trump. He is a predator but not a rapist. All I ask is for you to follow journalism and not commentary. Like the Washington Post being called fake by Trump. They revealed Nixon and to this very day it is not fake.
@EMC2 watch CNN, MSNBC,FOX,OAN, listen to Glenn beck and rush Limbaugh. i'm well informed and in tune with political
biases on both sides. i'm aware of Mueller's investigation. i know that people think collusion is real.
but I am not sold on this. the convictions of his lawyer and others all have to do with their criminal
activity not collusion. but like I said, im' waiting. my guess is if they get him on something it won't be collusion.
also I can see your bias calling Kavanaugh a spoiled undeserving of his successes because of his white priviledge. (popular left narrative) i'm white and the left can kiss my ass. i'm independent, I can think for myself, I don't board the trains of collective narratives and
ideas. @EMC2
EMC2:
@onan180 If those two are your sources and you are not aware of the bias then your credibility is zilch. We , the informed, would not consider Rush a valid news source and certainly Beck is a loose cannon with an imaginative mind. I follow journalist who do the real story and even give their lives covering the real news. Please catch a ride with us and you will see the truth.
Oh I am well aware of their positions and biases my friend as well as CNN, MSNBC and FOX that's exactly why I watch and listen to all of them. I can barely listen to Hannity, Rachel maddow, Lawrence O'Donnell it stinks to heaven. I also listen to NPR. you listen long enough their well played covert biases begins to scream at you. there are biases in the FBI, wallstreet journal,
Washington post ETC.ETC ETC...because "people" are in these positions, I can read slant like easily ! . the common thread with all of these organizations is "people" the government as
well. this is a battle of ideas that involve some ignorant, some well meaning, some crooked who love attention and power to manipulate others. I refuse to be a useful idiot for the narrative of others. excuse me why I watch as both sides claim to be the owners of nobility and morality. I"ll just watch both sides act like idiots...from what I can see so far. the left is the bigger idiot right now. I have no idea what's in the future for this country. but I will be watching........ and also "WAITING" for the collusion conclusion ...people are corrupt, get used to it...last time I checked murder was against the law... that doesn't seem to stop it....So good luck in fantasy land.. @EMC2
@EMC2 ther are boot lickers for trump just like there was for Obama. I my personal opinion Obama was a "great speaker" but I could see his preacher coming out when he spoke which was annoying to me.. he is arrogant and loves attention like trump..and I didn't scream like a little school girl at a beatles concert when Obama spoke...these fantasy speeches make me laugh. if they don't shower they stink like the rest of us. Obama experience was voting "present" in the senate and community organizing. trump lived in the real cut throat world. he has more experience dealing in the world 20 times over. been there done that. so I will watch him do his thing watch the left go batshit crazy...laugh alittle..if he broke the law send him to jail...I don't care..
EMC2:
@onan180 Yes but then there is the truth. Obama did a wonderful , outstanding job. He pulled us out of the greatest recession. And yet the time it took was not good enough for the right wing. And yet it was the worst recession in history. Obama had NO scandals, spoke very well, excellent education and a man of honor. Trump is not that at all, FActst my friend , facts
Ha...I never said Trump was.....in my opinion he's full of a lot of b.s. but he knows when he holds the cards. he's doing alright in my book. how you feel about Obama is your opinion not mine. and Rachel maddow face when trump won the election was priceless Lol. the left media has been bashing him with a hammer at after day but he just keeps plowing through. I think they have underestimated him and his drive. we just signed trade deals inspite of what Obama said, China is
next. the news blows everything out of proportion and he just keeps plowing forward. @. EMC2
it's trues he is not the typical presidential manner and not politically correct. he says things that makes me role my eyes, but I can overlook that....I get him...he will be gone in 4 to 8 years and we will move on like every other president. but I do enjoy watching the lefts obsession with him.. it makes me laugh. he told leslie on 60 minutes he was president and she wasn't...lol. oh by the way. the porn girl and her lawyer avenatti lossed their case. he may have to pay trumps legal bills...and if your angry about Kavanaugh you can thank the dems for going nuclear to change 2/3 to majority to pass... looks like they out smarted themselves...what goes around comes around...and Obama's smart ass "I got a phone and a pen" didn't work out as well as he thought it would.
This is about politics mostly i believe, i watched politics for many many years and spotting bullshit is easy . First of all if you break the law.. weather your Trump, Obama, Miss ford, Kavenaugh...GO TO JAIL !!!! I don't give a shit...i have hard time believing if this issue was in feinstein hands and a liberal judge was nominated and going through hearings she would have sat on it for good....some people think somehow the Dems are the owners of morality and nobility...they are in Fantasy land....the truth is, me personally thought miss Ford sounded credible with what little is known about this. i listened to Kavenaugh and was moved with his statements and teared up as well. i would be effing pissed if i was falsely accussed and i "would" have had ill will to my accuser. people are capable of some pretty stupid shit, Man or Woman. and speaking of trump collusion, the special counsel has been on this for almost 2 years now, still waiting on collusion here....YAWNING...... what evidence do you think the FBI is going to turn up besides he said she said after 36 years ? Nothing.....sorry Kavanaugh..she says you assaulted her, Goodbye..........
onan180
Level 4
Sep 30, 2018
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Ummm, it takes 5 Years or more to bring a simple auto accident injury to trial or settlement, with 2 participants. Why anyone thinks that Meuller's investigati, involving Countries plus numerous "players" should be completed is beyond me!
And, hey, both Manafort & Cohen already taking pleas.......that looks like A Lot of progress to me, and they have just started "singing"!
Yeah, manafort and cohen are taking pleas with charges involving themselves not Russian collusion.. but like I said i'm waiting....I think the Russian collusion conspiracy is ridiculous personally.. but have at it ...by all means. I don't care send them all to jail.. just take Hillary with them..that would be an unbearable punishment...
@onan180 ...it is clear that you are missing pieces of the collision puzzle! Or maybe, you are only absorbing the reports that fit what you (want) to believe! You have missed lots...so wait for the final chapter and even then, I will look for your assessment about being ‘railroaded!’ I read ‘tea leaves!’
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