God's Alleged Morality: Yet More Random Thoughts
*God can't be wrong. Why? Because theists assume that God can't be wrong.
*Forgiveness by someone you have wronged is apparently way less important than being forgiven by your God.
*The average person is morally superior to God based on readings from the Old Testament.
*If you look at the stuff in scripture and you see a loving God, then you have a broken sense of morality.
*Sins are sins just because the Bible (i.e. - God) says so and not because a sin is of necessity going to harm anyone or society at large.
*If you believe that God is absolutely moral, would you be willing to subject yourself to God's morality?
*God is morally inferior to not only me, but to 99.9% of all humans. The average human is decent. God's an immoral thug.
*Morality relates to human well-being (or for that matter the well-being of all other animals). God has demonstrated that He does not have either human or animal well-being at the top of His agenda as frequently demonstrated in Old Testament texts.
*Theists say that God's laws and actions trump human laws and the actions of humans. Therefore, according to atheists, you can justify anything you do based on Biblical texts providing as long as God also did it; God ordered it; God condones it. Good luck with that defense strategy in the courtroom for you'll quickly find out that human law and human actions trumps God's laws and God's actions.
*God allows an evil act to exist or to happen. A human tries to prevent that evil act from existing or happening - if they can. That's the moral difference between humans and God. In other words, God seemed perfectly okay with Nazi Germany and the Third Reich and the attempted extermination of His Chosen People. God did nothing to stop Hitler and company. It was up to way more moral humans to act against the Third Reich, and stop the slaughter. This is hardly a unique example. The point is that God never intervenes to stop evil. Humans often do either by fate or by design.
*God blames and punished children for the sinful actions of their ancestors. How is that moral? (Exodus 20: 5 and 34: 7; Numbers 14: 18; Deuteronomy 5: 9 and 23: 2-3.)
*Regarding human sin: God is apparently going to judge us sinners as being worthy or not worthy of an eternal life with Him. The tables should be turned. In fact I should request that God should confess His sins to me (upon my alleged Judgment Day) so I can judge Him worthy of spending time with. Let's not forget that God has committed far more actual sins than I (or probably any one human) have.
*If you face some sort of final judgment, you certainly want to face an unbiased, impartial judge. That rules God out who's clearly biased against certain tribes. That's why I like the ancient Egyptian form of the final judgment. The ancient Egyptian gods supervise but don't themselves judge. Your heart (which is where the Egyptians actually thought your 'soul' resided) was weighed on an independently impartial scale against a feather. If your heart was pure it balanced against the feather and you then went on, passed go and collected your $200 afterlife dollars. If your heart was impure, it wouldn't balance the feather and it then got gobbled up by a monster and that was the end of that. No afterlife; just total oblivion.
*If God sends me to hell, at least I'll have the satisfaction of knowing that I'm more moral than the God who sent me there.
*Any time people criticize what God does (as in mass murder, genocide, child abuse, etc.) theists argue that whatever God does is right and that God is His own moral authority because God is all-powerful and all-knowing. So in other words, might makes right!!!
*Why do you need God to be good / moral / ethical? Can't you be good / moral / ethical all on your own?
*If I am more moral than God, and I am since I’ve never committed genocide or mass murder or child abuse and have never endorsed or condoned slavery, then it’s clear that I did not get my morality handed down from on high.
*When you test or compare God’s morals vs. human morals, then human morals trump God’s morals. The average human is more moral than God.
*Why should we spend a lifetime on our knees worshipping God when God is such an immoral thug?
*God’s most common interaction with people in the Old Testament is to kill them.
*God has way more concern over what you eat than over what you own, as in humans as your property (i.e. – slavery). Slavery ranks lower in God’s list of priorities than any of the other over 600 commandments He dictates. In fact, God absolutely endorses slavery (Exodus 21).
*If there was ever a time that God, assuming a God of course, should have been around was on the night of the 14th of April 1912 in the North Atlantic. Her name was - Titanic.
*When theists are at a loss to account for God allowing evil things to happen, their default position is that, well, God works in mysterious ways. Of course they have no such need of a get out of jail card when acknowledging good happenings and tidings.
*If I created a child and then endlessly tortured it, you'd call me at best an immoral thug. But if God does it, well that's okay.
Christianity is rife with special pleading. Without it, god would be a laughable moral exemplar. Even with it he still is of course but many people don't notice. If this is your operant conditioning from the cradle, then the objections raised above would just make you smile and say condescendingly that the critic simply doesn't (and basically can't) understand the nuanced elegance that theology brings to the picture.
I know, because I used to do that.
I know, because even after lived experienced dragged me kicking and screaming out of theism, I still felt unbelievers were cluelessly harsh in advancing such critiques.
Now, sufficiently far from that reality distortion field, I see how kind and restrained these critiques actually are. Because I see the concrete harms this ideology brings to society.
Most relevant to this portentous election day: if god is justified in killing the guilty and innocent alike in the name of purging the stain of sin and preventing that defect from spreading to his "chosen" people, then it's perfectly fine to see brown and poor refugees as an existential threat to the purity of white Christian society. God, in other words, is a fascist. He grades people on a scale of more, or less, or not human / worthy ... so why wouldn't we imitate him and try to be like him?
So I guess I've come full circle, because while I would have thought at one time @johnprytz was being too harsh and not very understanding with the post, I now feel he's being too nice.
My opinion is that in the workings of the world of human and animal bodies, everything is on course and working just as it is supposed to—just as it has to. From the perspective of individuals things might seem harsh or difficult at times, but from a higher perspective all is well.
If you see yourself only as a human body, and you are thinking of the proposed God as an object—something supernatural “out there”, then I can understand the conflict and angst.
Thinking of ourselves as one with Ultimate Reality leads to serenity.
Have you given one moments thought to how inappropriate, and disrespectful, you are being by posting all this "gawd" drivel on this site?!??
Reminds me of something I read, I think by Sam Harris:
The majority of people are offended by the truth.
@jlynn37 "the truth"????? Ooookkkkaaaaaayyyyy.......
@AnneWimsey Your opinion is noted as is mine.
Given that gods are man-made, and the bible is fiction, all talk of "morality" is bullshit. Their "forgiveness" is nothing more than justification.
Fuck that. And fuck them.
@johnprytz I disagree. I think it's a moral and ethical imperative to completely destroy their false-faith. If their peace-of-mind is rooted in delusion, and they're making decisions and influencing policy that effects everyone else, they need to be corrected. Their "comfort" is of no concern to me. Their "comfort" means nothing in relation to the damage they do with their delusions.
I have a church friend who was involved in a church disagreement a few years ago. He and some others took ball bats to the windshields of some cars. He has said since that Jesus has forgiven him. He didn't mention the ones that owned those cars with the broken windshields.
So much for god's forgiveness.