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In the story of the bible did Mary consent or did god rape her?

lukostello 4 Nov 23
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You bring up a good and valid point there I don't know yet maybe but the whole bible story is made the fuck up so who cares

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So "god" is a man? Who the hell cares, god does not exist, talking the believers will it's only raise your BP; the bullshit fiction you get from the bible - I find it amazing that any rational person would waste their time even acknowledging this dangerous junk exists except that birth-indoctrinated people become targets for the clergy and exploiters, who are actually spread this poison, yes, even by the people they seek deceive. We find this everywhere. Don't groan, just ignore it and ignore them.
Religion should be outlawed, by statute. By even talking about it, it 's elevated reality. I've found that nothing you say will influence these religious morons.

I don't think that religion should be outlawed at all you sound like an athiest fundamentalist .I think that religion should be discouraged but never outlawed. If we take that view then we are no better than facists.

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She committed adultery. Joseph was her husband. Therefore since she had a from someone else, she committed adultery.

Trod Level 5 Nov 23, 2018
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The way the Bible describes it, neither. Thats a flawed premise for other reasons too of course being that we're talking fiction, but as the bible put it, an angel came and told her she had been chosen. It doesnt suggest any degree of consent other than her seemingly willing reaction to the news. The way it was interpretted in bible classes, it was as if her consent lay in her reaction. If she had reacted poorly supposedly someone else would have been chosen, but she was chosen by god because he knew she would be willing and able to accept this "gift" to begin with. If you pick the right doormat of a mark to begin with for a long con, their consent becomes implicit by default.

It also doesnt suggest that any sexual contact happened but that the holy spirit came to her. So neither happened in the biblical account. She did not explicitly give consent, didnt need to since the premise of her willingness to god was the reason she was chosen in the first place, and supposedly no sexual contact was necessary. We can still make fun of christians for believing in ghost sex but understand that it's an oversimplified hyperbole to lampoon the risque implications of some loopholed fiction whose details are irrelevant because nothing of the sort can or will ever happen.

Great answer. I suppose having omniscience makes consent rather obsolete because you would know who is a willing sperm receptacle. That is one of the defining traits of religion: the closer you look the more vague and contradictory it becomes.

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She was 14 according to the story . U do the math ?

@Shouldbefishing ?????u killing me smalls ????? oh man .
" cage", let me go back in my cage ?????
I won't make it 2 hrs in these places , Friday's entairtaining indeed , and the stones will be huge . F these people .
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It wasn't consent or rape... It was imaginary. Did Peter Pan defend himself, or did he murder Captain Hook?

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It's all nonsense. None of it ever happened.

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If there wasn't consent, it was rape. No gray area there.

Deb57 Level 8 Nov 23, 2018

@CoastRiderBill if a woman "hoped to be so chosen," wouldn't that count as consent?

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That’s a good question. She didn’t know until the angel told her.

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did Alice really go through the looking glass ?

This is why I prefaced with "in the story"

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According to Celsus (a pagan critic of Christianity), Jesus' dad was a soldier from the Roman Army that was based in Syria and was in the area to put down a tax revolt centered around Sepphoris in the Galilee. The revolt was led by Judas the Galilian, who was mentioned in the N.T. at the Apostle's trial. The revolt ended in 6 CE. Jesus' dad's name was Albus Penterra and he was a flag bearer for the archery division. His army wound up in Gaul where he died after several decades as a soldier. In the 1800s his grave was discovered by German Archeologists and his headstone listed his various deployments, the Galilee was his first. In the N.T. Jesus' mysteriously visits a home near where the army had been stationed but, no explanation is given for the visit. The story of Jesus' paternity is detailed in a 2nd century letter written by Origen of Alexandria.

This is a story I never heard.

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She was under age so it was statutory rape, what ever else it was or wasn't.
Oh and in Mormonism he definitely did fuck her.

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God didn't need her consent, because she was a woman.

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Well, if we are strictly speaking about the biblical version, and not speculating as to what (or who) actually happened, then.....

Immaculate conception = pregnancy without sex. Sex, in this context, is penetration. No penetration, no rape.

So... it was without consent, but it wasn't rape.

^^winner

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It was rape.

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Uncle Joseph most likely was the guilty party.

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I think it was rape. She must have been given drugs.

Here is one explanation: [amm.org] It basically says that because God was a good guy, it was either okay that he raped her, or he "asked" her if she would commit either adultery or fornication and she agreed. Based upon God's past actions, if he asked Mary for permission, she probably figured that being raped is better than being killed. Or, if he asked her, she thought maybe having sex with God would be a religious experience and she was more liberated than most women of her time.

Thinking further, if Jesus was God, as some religions believe, then did God commit pre-incest? He had sex with his mother, but it was before she was his mother. So, was God a mother F'er?

@sfvpool this is my favorite conclusion from this yet

Just how many women in those historical times ACTUALLY claimed that the child they gave birth to was 'fathered' by a God?
When you take a look into it, it was the ' fashion' trend to blame any unexpected pregnancy upon 'Divine' intervention in an effort to save oneself from the penalties of the law.
E.g. Achilles mother claimed Zeus was his father, Alexander the Great's mother made the same claim and that just 2 of the instances.

@CoastRiderBill Yes, I know that. It is a joke...

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It’s magic like IVF

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