The Simulation Hypothesis: Evidence from Mental States.
There are many lines of evidence leading to the conclusion that we are just virtual reality beings 'living' in a computer programmed simulated universe. There is evidence from fine-tuning, from design, from causality (or the lack of causality), from violations of basic conservation laws, from various paradoxes, inconsistencies and contradictions within the realm of Mother Nature, from probability theory, from computational theory and even from mythology. The paranormal rates a mention too as potential evidence. Here's a few examples from the realm of the human mind.
The Simulation Hypothesis and Mind / Body Duality
It's obvious from experience and from experiment that there is a body-brain / mind interface that operates in both directions. Therefore there is no mind / body-brain duality. It is also obvious that your mind is separate and apart from your body-brain since no one can find any trace of your mind (your personality, soul, psyche, essence, etc.) anywhere inside of your body or your brain. So there has to be a mind / body-brain duality after all. It can't be but it is. Can virtual reality solve the paradox? With software all paradoxes can be resolved.
The Simulation Hypothesis and Free Will
Now one of the most obvious as well as one of the most common of the "it can't be therefore it isn't" vs. "I know what I saw" anomalies is with respect to your alleged free will. The most obvious of all obvious facets about you is that you have free will. That's the "I know what I saw" bit. However, free will is generated somewhere / everywhere in, of and by the brain. Yet you have absolutely no free will control over those external laws, relationships and principles of the physical sciences that influences the brain; you have no control over your brain's chemistry; you have absolutely no control over how your neural network is hardwired; and of course you have absolutely no control over your genetics which must surely play a major role in all of this. Finally, there is absolutely no explanatory mechanism that can explain how free will arises from those external laws, relationships and principles of the physical sciences.
Now no single brain cell has consciousness or free will. So therefore, how can the sum total of your brain cells have consciousness or free will? Further yet, how can all of your brain cells (involved in consciousness / free will) act together in unison to form a coherent state of awareness or of consciousness or of free will? What happens if a third of your brain cells opt for choice X; a third opt for choice Y; a third opt for choice Z? Is your brain a democratic system where the choice made by the majority of your brain cells is ultimately your free will choice that rules that scenario? The elephant in the room here is that both consciousness and free will have no causal explanatory mechanism in place. One might just as well put consciousness and free will down to magic. I sometimes think it is easier to opt for the explanation that consciousness and free will are really an illusion than to have to try and explain them.
So, your alleged free will "can't be and therefore isn't". Special effects to the rescue? On the other hand, the definitive demonstration and ultimate proof of free will would appear to be the only real way to refute the Simulation Hypothesis since any programming involved would almost of necessity have to negate the free will of whatever is being simulated.
The Simulation Hypothesis and Medicine
Since there is no brain or heart activity present during a cardiac arrest (you have flatlined) and you are not breathing, you are considered to be clinically dead. Your mind and consciousness cannot be functional. Yet a goodly percentage of cardiac arrest and clinically dead patients who are resuscitated in time can relate exactly what was occurring to them during the time while they were clinically dead! How can you have awareness while undergoing cardiac arrest and when your EEG has flatlined? This issue is quite separate and apart from the OBE facet of the NDE (see immediately below).
The Simulation Hypothesis and Near Death / Out of Body Experiences
Either there is an immaterial / non-physical component to the human species or there is not.
If there is not, there can't be any such thing as Near Death Experiences (NDEs) or Out of the Body Experiences (OBEs). Yet these aspects part and parcel to the death and dying process have been postulated and recorded by nearly all societies / cultures over nearly all of recorded history. How does that make any sense?
There seems to be here another case here of "It can't be therefore it isn't" relative to one of "I know what I saw / experienced." No matter what side of the fence you're on, you're damned if you're on one side and you're damned if you are on the other side. That said, the obvious alternative explanations are 1) experiences are all in the mind and just mental delusions, or 2) people are deliberately perpetrating frauds and hoaxes. IMHO I don't think either one of these explanations are entirely credible.
Let's examine the NDE and the OBE categories in turn and ask whether or not special effects might be in play here.
Near Death Experiences (NDEs): An NDE does not of necessity include an Out of the Body Experience (OBE) but that doesn't reduce the anomalous condition of the NDE which basically translates into human consciousness / spirit / psyche / essence, etc. surviving at least between your clinical death and your irreversible death. You sense things even though you are clinically dead, although some would suggest that the mind / consciousness sees what it wants to see during that clinical / irreversible death interval, and what it wants to see are visions of the good afterlife. The eyes may be the visual organs but it's the brain that does the actual seeing. Neither eyes nor brains are present and accounted for in NDEs. Nor are any other sensory organs. So how can a person relate an NDE if that person in that immaterial state can't experience anything external reality, being 100% deaf, blind, etc.? And by the way, if humans have NDEs, then presumably the higher animals - apes, dolphins, elephants, etc. - must also experience NDEs. In other words, even higher animals (mammals / birds) probably have an interval between their clinical death and irreversible death.
Out of Body Experiences (OBEs): As with NDEs, and closely enough related to NDEs to include them here, OBEs suffer from the exact same sort of impossibilities that NDEs suffer from. In an OBE you are in a non-physical state and lack any and all of the sensory organs and sensory processing abilities that would give you the ability to actually relate your OBE to others after-the-fact.
The Simulation Hypothesis and Deja Vu
If the flow of time is linear - past to present to future - you can't have a Deja vu experience. Yet nearly everyone has experienced at least one Deja vu episode in their lifetime. This is explainable when one realizes that a simulation can be rerun just like you can play and replay a video game again and again. Now and again the exact same chain of events will unfold. If that happens, then perhaps the virtual being that experiences an identical chain of events gets this uneasy sense of Deja Vu.
If we are living in a simulation that was created by someone or something, who created the simulation they're living in? And then who created the simulation that our simulation creator's creator is living in?
Also, the whole "no individual neuron has free will so therefore the sum of neurons can't" is like saying that since a single car part (let's just say a lug nut) can't drive, the car as a whole can't drive. There are many examples of an individual piece functioning in a way to come together with other pieces to serve a function.
By that logic, you're blind since an individual photoreceptor can't create an image inside your brain by itself. You're deaf since your ear drum can't produce sound by itself.
@johnprytz When someone makes an example or analogy, that point of it isn't just the analogy itself. The point is to get you to think beyond your belief. I could have used anything. A leaf on its own can't function as a tree. An ant on its own can't function as a colony. A feather on its own can't function as a bird. Think outside the box your belief puts you in.
As for free will, the simplest explanation is that it is a brain function like all other functions of the brain. People who want to believe in more will never accept that though. It's much like the belief in God. There's plenty of evidence for natural occurrences having natural causes, but since said evidence can't disprove the belief in God, they chose to keep believing. Much like how you are doing with your free will/simulation belief.
There's no reason to believe that your free will or any other brain function comes from more than just a collection of electrical and chemical reactions within your brain/nervous system. The specifics of how still aren't fully known, the brain is a complex system that we really have only scratched the surface of. Much like with our oceans, there's a lot we know about.. but much much more than we don't.
@johnprytz Actually, the claim that free will (if you believe in free will) comes from the brain is technically a negative claim. If you reject any and all supernatural/metaphysical claims, all you're left with is the brain/nervous system. The claim that your free will is part of a computer simulation is a positive claim, which requires proof.
It's much like with God and the creation of life. If you reject all supernatural beliefs, all you're left with is the natural formation of life, abiogenesis. Abiogenesis is at root a negative claim while God's creation is a positive claim.
Since you cannot provide proof for your positive claim, only philosophical arguments, I reject it and am left with my free will being a property of my nervous system. No different than my thoughts, emotions, and senses that come from my nervous system.
@johnprytz If it is viable simply because it can't be disproven, then there's an infinite amount of viable hypotheses. I can seriously make up anything and it would be viable. Maybe every living cell is a physical conduit for a metaphysical being that if we could image, it would appear to be a green robotic elephant with snake bodies as legs. It can't be disproven, so it must be viable. Right?
Welcome to the theist mindset..
This is mental masturbation lol
My thoughts precisely!
Yes we are truly a mind/body experience in a universe of questions. Once the light bulb ceases to receive energy it dies and there is no more light. The heat dissipates and all is back to before the light bulb existed. Depending on the perspective one views time, this entire event may not even exist because you never saw the light.
THere is a parallel in the way we search for life, namely by looking for planets like our own so it could house life like ours. This seems so egocentric. Alien life could be so different from us that we should not presume anything about it.
Likewise, if one starts to think we may be part of some grand scheme, we leap to the idea of being computer-run or -generated because that is what we know about--computers. Some power of that scope, to manage everything humans see or think they are seeing, would be so far beyond our comprehension that to use our word for the really complex adding machines we have created seems silly. It could be anything but is most certainly not something we have a name for.
@maturin1919 An economist I am not. In fact, an astrophysicist I am not either. But if you only look for frogs and only look in ponds, I think I know what will be found.
@maturin1919 In this case frog=fish != unicorns
You raise some good points and make an interesting case. But who is the programmer and who is operating the computer? What is their reality like? Wouldn’t they have to be conscious and have free will? How is the computer constructed and where is it located?
You say:
“The elephant in the room here is that both consciousness and free will have no causal explanatory mechanism in place. One might just as well put consciousness and free will down to magic. I sometimes think it is easier to opt for the explanation that consciousness and free will are really an illusion than to have to try and explain them.”
I agree that there’s no materialistic explanation for consciousness and free will, but that doesn’t mean those concepts are invalid. IMO what it means is that our sense of selfhood as our bodies is an illusion and that our experience of conscious free will is an extension of the programmer/operator. In that sense WE ARE the programmer/operator—our true and higher selves that is—not our bodies which are only icons.
When you decided to type up your post weren’t you exercising free will? Your/our conscious self coaxed one of its bodies into typing the post.
I am beginning to warm to your Simulation Hypothesis and see it as akin to Universal Consciousness or Panspiritism, worth further thought.
The character in a video game is nothing but a symbolic arrangement of pixels created for the convenience of the user. Those characters have no true existence and they certainly have no conscious free will.
You want me to ask the question from the perspective of one of the characters, but the characters have no perspective and such a question would be totally impossible. Whatever the characters appear to be thinking is just illusion or imagination. All of the consciousness, and all of the free will is being had by the player of the game, while character traits and behavior are preprogrammed. “Thinking” is analysis done by software.
It’s a great analogy for what I’ve been suggesting all along. Our human bodies have no conscious awareness and no free will. In the background is an Ultimate Reality, and that reality is what has conscious awareness and free will.
In that the player of the game is wrapped up with and identified with the fake reality of the illusory characters, she does not detect or understand Ultimate Reality, even though she herself is an extension of that reality.
Well sure, the characters “exist”, but only in the mind of the game player. Look inside your computer, examine the various software routines relating to the characters, and nowhere will you find anything remotely resembling the characters.
No, it is not possible for me to assume that the characters will someday have conscious awareness. Above you were arguing that we ourselves don’t have conscious awareness and now you want me to assume that computer simulations will someday be conscious. Conscious awareness is the basic foundation of reality, not some simple thing made with software or neurons.
I see the computer simulation concept as an analogy, and a very good one, The computer/operator in question is the cosmos itself. Our sense of existence as separate, aware individuals is illusory. It is true that we have existence of a sort, but it is an ephemeral existence in the cosmic mind. We as individuals have no conscious awareness and no free will, and as such we can neither see nor understand ultimate reality.
IMO there’s no such thing as the supernatural, at least not in the magical sense in which the word is usually used. There is just the aspect of nature that we are unable to detect or understand with our human-based matter/space/time model of reality. If science ever grows beyond its present self-imposed limitations things considered metaphysics today might become physics.
You can slap any label you want on it. The founders of quantum physics called it Universal Consciousness. Some say Panpsychism, others Panspiritism. Ancient Hindus called it Brahman, or ultimate reality. If anyone wants to call it God, I will not be disturbed in the least. No matter what silly word is used, we humans remain in deep ignorance.
You seem to be calling it simulation theory and I’m fine with that. You raise interesting points.
Um, what about all the billions of years when we were riding dinosaurs?
What? O.o
@Kafir hey! Just as sensible as the original post......
@johnprytz ohferpetessake....go look up "hyperbole", will ya?