It won't be the Russians. It will be the Turks mostly. The Kurds need also fear the Syrian Army with their Iranian military support. Remember that Turkey, Iran, Iraq, and Syria have all suppressed and at times used military forces, etc to go after the Kurds. History speaks loudly here, with another large group chopped up amongst other "countries" created by the British and French after WWI.

I did not say that the Russians would. It will be the Turks, but the Russians will assist.

@wordywalt I think the Russians will not bother and let them fight it out amongst themselves.

@Jolanta Respectfully, I think that you are being naïve. I saw, first hand, their oppression in Eastern Europe and their attempt to gain and hold territory and influence.

@wordywalt Well, things have changed since then a bit. Let us see what will happen.

@Jolanta The only thing that has changed is that today'sRussian leaders are no longer hiding behind communist ideology. Their core behavior has not changed.

@wordywalt Who know, but I somehow am sceptical about it. I can understand you thinks this way because it is not like the US has in any kind of way changed, no matter if it is the Democrats or Republicans in charge.

@Jolanta If one examines world history, one finds that Russia has almost has a paranoid steak and an inferiority complex. It has almost always felt that the rest of the Western world looks down its nose at Russia as a rather backward nation. Lacking ports during winder months, it has always sought to expand its power and control southward to give it access through the Mediterranean Sea, and it does so by attacking states or seeking collusion with autocrats. It promotes the idea that Western nations are a threat to it, and has always sought to expand its control over both eastern European nations and Finland. It also uses this excuse to try to create and sow discord to try to weaken any nation which might stand in its way. That is why I fail to understand your view of Russia.

@wordywalt And you don’t see any of that behaviour in the US?

@Jolanta No. As a student of history, I can clearly say without doubt that there is huge difference.

@wordywalt So tell me how you see it being different?

@Jolanta Easily done. First of all, if we had emulated Russian actions in Europe from 1945 through the late 1980s, we would have taken over every one of the nations in North America, installed puppet governments which took away virtually all civil rights of those nations , stationed a massive number of our troops in each nation to enforce their complete, and established commercial ties dominance, and forced upom those nations commercial relationships which totally exploited those nations and their people.

Yes, on some occasions US governments have sometimes inappropriately intervened in the affairs of some central American states, but there is no real comparison. And, Do NOT depict the actions of the idiot Trump and his cabal as characterizing the USA and our people. That would be a genuine travesty. Trump is a truly evil man who owes his office to the meddling of Russia and to an inept campaign by Clinton. Even with those advantages, he still did not win the votes of the majority of Americans. And, the US does not meddle in the internal affairs of Russia -- with Putin's absolute control over the Russian media and secret police, that would be impossible.

If you need more examples I would be glad to provide them, although I am beginning to feel that no matter what information I provide, you will not discontinue your inappropriate bias.

@powder I was deployed to Saudi and Iraq for desert storm.
We were so close that we could count the windows on the buildings at the edge of Baghdad but we were sent to Kuwait in order to secure their oil fields and as soon as that was accomplished we were sent back home.

I learned then that our only purpose in the Middle East was to serve and protect Saudi Arabia’s and Israel’s interest.
So everything that’s happened since then has sadly been no surprise to me at all.
Hopefully soon we’ll get out and focus on our future as a species instead of expediting death for sale.

@powder Why do you think that we went and took out saddam and Gaddafi
Saddam in 2000 switch to the euro for oil sales and encouraged everyone to do so.
And Gaddafi was pushing the whole continent of Africa to switch to a solid gold dinar.
But trump doesn’t get that he’s doing to the value of our currency what they tried to do.
So you never know he might be found in sand trap at Mara largo with a hundred dollar bill shoved in his mouth with Putin’s DNA on it.
Just saying

@48thRonin Yes it is all about money and power.

@powder I know that Putin isn’t the puppet master that some people need for him to be. I’m actually a huge fan and defender of uncle Vlad but the hundred dollar bill joke was me implying that they’d put his dna on it just so that they could blame him that as well.

@wordywalt Oh that was original ? How’s about you sound like everyone who cheered and gloated when Bernie conceded to the person who demanded that we get in line afterwards.

Yeah how did work out btw?

@48thRonin Oh, really?????

@48thRonin You are full of it. I supported Bernie and was not a Hillary fan. I just knew that Trump is a walking disaster in every sense.

@wordywalt Well then you should’ve known that she was behind him running for President and gambled that we’d fear him more as a person than we would her as a leader.

And this Putin BS was the excuse that stuck after she blamed Bernie, us, the media, millennials, her staff, the fbi, Wikileaks, that burrito from the night before.
Seriously even if he did have something to do with our election it would be considered payback for what we were caught doing in his country during their 2012 election and from what I’ve been by several Russians they see trump as being a twitter twit.

And even they feel bad about how he thinks of himself they still feel that we’re getting what we deserve by attempting to destroy them in the 90’s so it is what it is you’ve decided to follow the mainstream ideologies that are being fed to us by our media and some of us haven’t forgotten who’s truly responsible and we’re listening to media sources that are neutral just to see what the rest of the world is thinking.

@48thRonin I mistrust anyone defending Putin in any way. He is a vicious, ruthless, power=hungry man.
What are your motives in defending him?

@wordywalt Ok I respect your opinion but might I ask where does your opinion come from?

And as far as my “ reasoning “ in supporting him goes.

He took his country from the brink of collapse and has systematically reigned in the oligarchs and the mafia. They’re not gone but they’re limited in power.

He has cleaned house throughout his country’s government and has called out officials to their faces on tv and in public for doing things wrong but also offers support in fixing their mistakes.

Under his leadership Russia has a gdp that’s competitive with the rest of the world and just recently he was invited to sit and weigh in with OPEC leaders something that was almost an exclusive to us, Britain and France.

He’s a cofounder of the B.R.I.C.S organization which is organizing with lesser recognized countries to create development and to share research.
And doing so with no regime changes or military installment.

His crimes are attempting to conduct business with countries that we assumed were loyal and exclusive to us.
Standing in the way of our attempts to further conduct regime changes ( Syria, and Iran )
Scaling down his military. These two are what set Obama and HRC off.

Blocking the gateway for U S, British and Israeli intelligence officers ( Crimea )
And has decreased sales of weapons to foreign countries.

He’s also called out Israel and Saudi Arabia for their crimes against humanity.

Kicking the IMF and the jehovas witnesses out?

But I don’t support the behavior that’s encouraged against gays and lesbians.

Like it or not he’s the leader of a thriving sovereign country and that wasn’t the plan in the 90’s
Russia and it’s people were supposed to be killing each other and demanding that we rush in and save them.
And as you can see that didn’t happen it started to but it didn’t happen.

Hopefully this answers your question so let’s see if you can answer mine

@48thRonin He accomplished what economic development that he has through tyrannical control, by fostering and heading a kleptocracy, by using control to grow hugely wealthy by controlling and exploiting natural resources and distributing the wealth therefrom among himself and is fellow oligarchs. He and his control apparatus assassinate any opponents to appear to be causing him any real trouble.

On the international scene, he meddles in the affairs of other countries and regions just to stir up discord and cause the western and middle e astern nations as much trouble as he can. No, I cannot acknowledge him as anything other then a cynical ruthless and greedy tyrant.

@wordywalt Wow you should look at what the U S has done in the past 200 years.
But anyway agree to disagree and moving on ✌?