Wow, aren't you a touchy one. Not one for discussion I guess.

@Jolanta Touchy no fed up yep, fed up with people from other countries especially ones that haven’t been anything that we have.

And I’m fed up with all of these soft sensitive demanding bratty ass people who haven’t endured any real suffering running around like it’s the end of the fucking world.

So if by discussion you co signing passive aggressive liberal rhetoric or even that of trump’s supporters at this point because I have the right to express my thoughts even if they’re different from the rest and if that’s something that you have a problem with then you damn sure don’t want to hear the unabridged version of what’s wrong with our country.
Thank you and have a wonderful Christmas ??

@48thRonin Most thinking people outside the US are perfectly aware what is wrong with the US.

@Veteran229 ,
What I'd like to know is just who are we protected from by the empire to the South?
For that matter, which entity are the Americans protected from which justifies the expenditure of 100s of billions of $$ which could be used for social services such as healthcare which bankrupts 1000s of people yearly.

Really, is that why wall street is on a down hill

@Jolanta It’s still higher than it was when Trump took over.

@Trajan61 Wow May it be because he has given the rich and himself huge tax cuts, I wonder, while people in the US are dying from lack of food and health care.

Yeah, the stock market just went into free fall. Trump is a dickhead of major order and the US is going down the toilet. I miss Obama. Under Asshat Drumpf the rich are getting richer and plundering the US, and the common folks are cannon fodder. Obama was well educated and polished. Drumpf is a moron of the first order. How you can support him, how anyone can support him just is beyond my imagining. I wish you well, but you are sadly deluded.

Really? All I see is that this country is just as divided now as it was under obama. Politicians just don't know how to play nice.

@HippieChick58 Hippiechick in my neck of the woods Obama was the most hated president in American history. You and I are very far apart on politics, as your at one extreme and I’m on the other. I’d almost rather have a civil war than have another idiot like Obama as president.

@Jolanta Considering your from Australia why are you so concerned about American politics. I can see why Spike banned you from the conservative group as your nothing but a left wing liberal troll.

@Trajan61 Barack Obama was a well educated, well spoken, intelligent, caring, astute, faithful man. Der Donald does not have one tiny percentage of the compassion, humanity, or intelligence President Obama has and had. #45 is a disgrace to the office and the nation. The only idiot in the white house is the current occupant and those that put him there are a disgrace to the nation. We may well have civil war because of #45 and his conduct.

@HippieChick58 If civil war ever does break out I’m 100% certain you and I will be on opposing sides.

@Trajan61 On that it does look like we do agree.

@HippieChick58 ,
Obama got into politics to make a lot of money & succeeded.
A great president, by any measure, he was not.
He increased the national debt by an obscene amount & ordinary Americans were no better off. I could go on.

@callmedubious I totally disagree. Obama got into politics because he saw a need and wanted to help people. For most, a political career is not the road to riches. He is likely the most intelligent and most well educated, and most compassionate president we've ever had.

@HippieChick58 You worse than the religous idiots abouts your radical beliefs!

@Trajan61 Yeah, yeah, whatever.

@Trajan61 That's right, more wars when you cannot get it by peaceful means.

@Trajan61 Oh, yeah, because you are such a compassionate person who really cares about your own people.

@Jolanta What in the hell are you talking about? Trump hasn’t started any wars. He’s pulling US troops out of Syria and probably Afghanistan.

@Trajan61 Did I say he did? Actually if you think about it the US is heavily involved in the war in Yemen.

@Jolanta The Saudi’s are fighting the Iranian backed rebels in Yemen. Yes the US are assisting the Saudi’s it the Iranians are heavily involved with the rebels and the Iranian’s are a dangerous sponsor of Islamic terriorism.

@Trajan61 Funny how the US is happy helping the Very same Saudis who are responsible for the 9/11. Suddenly they are the best of friends when it comes to killing someone and there’s millions to be made.

@Jolanta The Saudi regeme had nothing to do with 9/11. Saudi citizens were involved yes but it was Osama Bin Laden another Saudi Citzen who was responsible for 9/11.

@Trajan61 You ever heard of the Wahhabies? I guess you don’t believe that it came from there.

@Jolanta Bin Laden and the Taliban government were the ones responsible for 9/11. Yes I’ve heard of the wahabies. But the Saudi government had nothing to do with 9/11. The Shia sect of Islam that is prevalent in Iran is considered to be more radical than the Sunni sect. Also Iran has been directly responsible for stirring up trouble in the Mideast and is guilty of killing US soldiers. So it makes perfect sense to support Saudi Arabia against Iran.

@Trajan61 Gosh how you love money. You probably would sell your grandma for a buck.

Most people in the US don't know much about their own country and you want them to know about other cultures, isn't that a bit much to ask.

@ Jolanta Not at all. Ask someone from another country what they know about America, you will likely find that they know quite a bit. Americans though? They'd be lucky if they could find Africa, Australia or England on the map!

It's not the paranioa about other cultures. It is
THE MILITARY, INDUSTRIAL, SECURITY COMPLEX
that ha sealed the fate of the USA.

@Biptu that's true.

@irascible yep and China is buying Australia and africa as well.

@Bigwavedave Not only Africa and Australia. They owe large chunks in the US too.

@irascible And the religious fundamentalists gaining power who proclaim that god will not allow this to happen.

@jlynn37 To hell with those hypocrites!

@irascible true

@PalacinkyPDX People who live near sea coasts will be displaced as sea levels rise. Given the moves against immigration in many countries; it seems billions will die.

Yes China has problems, but few countries do not. It may be that China is hit so hard by sea level rise and loss of mountain glaciers, their water system will fail to the extent their population crashes horribly. India would be in the same situation. Perhaps Canada and Russia will come out on top. If the arctic melts, there may be immigration there and it may become a major power. There may be several changes in power over time. The future is uncertain.

I would put China ahead of India because India is already seeing its aquifer depletion. Also because phosphorus is the most needed element to grow food and China, USA and Morocco are the three biggest areas in the world that still contain it (science says there is only 60-100 years left based on current usage of it).

@PalacinkyPDX Permafrost releasing greenhouse gases is not a local problem. Once the stuff gets into the air, it disperses everywhere. There is enough tundra around the world to flood the world with greenhouse gases several times the amounts we have already put into the air. If global temperatures exceed +5C, we may get methane hydrate coming up from the oceans, also. The +5C increase is not a limit, and no one knows how hot it will become.

The Universe is very old, yet we have not seen evidence of technological civilizations. The Fermi Paradox asks, "Why?" It may be that civilizations hit a wall, such as climate change that wipes them out. If they survive, most of the oil and coal will already have been used, and creating another civilization will be more difficult and may take longer, even if science is preserved post apocalypse. IMO space travel is essential to prevent apocalyptic events.

@gsiamne There are enough minerals in asteroids and on other planets, if we can survive long enough to mine and use them. It's even possible to mine gas giants and the sun. If we survive another 50, I think we will be a civilization having plenty of inexpensive raw materials.

@PalacinkyPDX You may be right; although, medical science now considers old age a disease, and they are working to remedy it. You may live forever.

@PalacinkyPDX You misunderstand, they say your organs can be made younger, from skin to heart.

@EdEarl ,
That's a very depressing thought which means that the very rich sociopaths could be in control indefinitely.
That would be worse than Brave New World & 1984 combined.

@callmedubious They have driven the economy into the ground twice now, and progressives take over again. Criminals are stupid because of their greed. Their control fails sooner or later. Although, they are denying climate change and pulling us closer and closer to extinction. I hope we survive.

If we survive, automatons will start taking more and more jobs, eventually taking all of them. That will free up humanity and with asteroid mining, make a post scarcity economy. Things could be very good. We cannot predict the future, and it will have both some good and some bad, most likely.

How do you spell Banana Republic?

@PalacinkyPDX Yes, I have read a couple of things written by economist Dr. Richard Wolff. I also listen to his podcasts. He has talked many times about employee owned companies and the one in Spain is one of his big ones.
Yes, churches and religions who have a "god" that needs money is corruption.

"Imperialist objectives of Islam"?
Which countries have they reduced to rubble & occupied lately?
Don't bother mentioning isis which is a creation of the US.

@callmedubious
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Sorry, the libs are here to stay and we're going to be kicking some ass in the very near future.

@HippieChick58 good luck. that's all i can say. good luck. most libs want to burn down there own neighborhood still.

@cobra3282000 I think you're totally wrong. We're not the burning down type, we're the building up type. Republiturds are the destroy and trash types. Look at what #45 has done to environmental regulations, slash and burn. Flint, Mich still does not have drinkable water and why is that. Because the Republican powers that be would rather have profits. Thousands of children in detention tonight, thanks to #45. I could go on but I do want to be able to sleep tonight. History will not be kind to #45 or his supporters.