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Fellow conservatives and gun rights supporters! I have started a group called conservative atheists. This group is open to discussion to all as we all value free speech. Please come and join me in this social network. Search conservativeatheists in the group area to join!

jayneonacobb 7 Feb 21
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Great! This will hopefully move those threads where the same old pre-canned NRA phrases are repeated by gun fanatics over and over again and against all obvious evidence from pretty much the whole rest of the developed world, out of the main discussions list. Thanks!

What evidence? The facts do not agree with your gun grabbing BS. Note I said facts, not made up or skewed statistics. Go get an education on a subject before you start knocking it. You don't know shit about guns, every "fact" you know is from a biased liberal media with an anti gun agenda.

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I would be happy to see you converse among yourselves. To most of us, what you say is simply illegal, unfounded ideological tripe without a factual, moral, or intellectual base.

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You can be pro gun and not a conservative. The Black Panther Party, the Redneck Revolt are a few none conservative pro gun groups.

JeffB Level 6 Feb 21, 2018
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I am curious what free speech means to you? I find most of my conservative friends define free speech means their right to shout insults, lies, untruths, and hate towards those they consider to be "other", which for them appears to be just about everyone but their bar tender and gun shop owner.

Free speech is the right to voice ones opinions, concerns and position in a legal, nonthreatining or harassing manner.

@dick_Martin you mean how you just slung insults? Keep it up, you will be banned if you can not be respectful.

@jayneonacobb OK. I'll give you one shot. Right here, Right now. Make one logical, reasonable, and accurate comment that supports the heart of your position.Fully sourced from reliable sources. If you can do it that will be the first time I have seen it done in 2018.
No Gish's Gallop, no generalizations, no insignificant fringe issues.

@jayneonacobb Here'd be a good and current issue: The Russian bots kicked off Twitter. There isn't doubt as to them being Russian, nor about them being gone. Starting from there, the clear and indisputable facts, I would like to read your thoughts on that issue? Free speech of course, but truthful comment goes a long ways.

@Dick_Martin excuse me, but I don't answer to you. I havn't seen you do that. I frequently cite the FBI crime statistics about gun crime. That is the same report that gun control advocates cite when they give their death toll arguments. The core of my argument is that guns have been proven to be effective in stopping crime 80 times more often than they are used to commit crimes. That means that the benefit out weighs the costs. I also cite the CDC and their studies on medical malpractice. Which causes more deaths than guns do every year. www.cdc.gov www.fbi.gov you can look it all up there for your self. You might learn something about the issue you didn't know doing the same research that I did. I'm not being flippant, just to be clear. Also to be clear this is your last chance to be respectful in your future discourses in this group. I will ban you if you keep insulting people.

@jayneonacobb How about a link and not just a general "'I cite the statistics" so we can assume I am right" sort of comment. Frankly, you are telling me that out of every 81 hold-ups with a gun, every one but one is folied...? nah. I am not buying that statistic Not for one minute. .

@jayneonacobb By the way... this is the General & Hellos Group. Not "Conservative Atheists." Thought I'd just mention that.

@Dick_Martin it was supposed to be an announcement for the group. I posted it from the group. Which means, btw, that this is not the appropriate venue for your opinions. You don't buy the actual stats that your gun control position cites in their peer reviewed studies? All of that data come from the crime reports of government agencies, so you do but it, you just only but the data that supports your opinion while disregarding the other 97% of data. That constitutes a bull shit argument.

@jayneonacobb What I find interesting is your misdirection and obfuscation. Once again you demand we accept your reporting of some supposedly authenticated statistics from some smoke & mirrors site that is hidden from view, but dang, you have the facts. Sorry. That's not how critical thinking works. By the way, I offered no statistics; I replied using your own numbers. YOU are the one who claims that 80 out of 81 armed robberies are thwarted by a good guy with a gun.

@Dick_Martin yes, I know you didn't supply any stats. I supplied a website that contains all the data relevant to the topic. Your inability to use the internet properly isn't my problem.

@jayneonacobb No. No you didn't. You said some meaningless words designed to look really official but were hollow and meaningless

@Dick_Martin the definitions of words give the words they are ascribed to meaning. I used the actual definitions. You, are not doing that.

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Don't know if I would consider myself conservative per se but I am curious about how much common ground we share.

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I will join your group and see if I can get some others like Lancer or Captain Feelgood to join.

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