Tax the 2%, charge a fee for security trades, cut the defense budget, rent Mississippi
Yes. Without a doubt. Further, if a well-designed universal health care system would be developed, actual health care costs would actually go down, as it would cut out the excess profits of health insurance companies, drug companies, and for profit hospitals and physicians.
Your question is not well formed.
The question is do we want to pay more, or less. Then, how to pay for it. In the current system, we have dramatically higher cost, equal or lesser quality and worse outcomes. This is inarguable. With a single payer system, while taxes would go up, less of our national wealth would be required to provide health care. So we would pay more in taxes, but pay nothing for health insurance (like most of us do now) resulting in a net gain.
Of the 30 major advanced countries, the US is the only one with the system we have. Health care is unlike other businesses, though it does obey the laws of economics.
Ok got a question for ya.
Just how much more in taxes do you believe we would really need to raise?
I only ask because I’m pretty sure that if we were to cut our military budget by 2/3’s, stop subsidizing corporations and foreign governments, come up with a proper tax solution that would close a majority of loopholes for the wealthy but also eliminate Christmas in February. ( just saying that if the government needs to give a refund they’re either taking too much or they’re spending our tax dollars appropriately. )
Ok so we take all of that while allowing those who want private health insurance to be able to purchase it but with the understanding that they might have to pay more for procedures if their insurance doesn’t negotiate better pricing.
Hell that right there would be a greater benefit than Medicare for all. But lobbyists what can I say they’re good at buying our government.
Anyway if we were to divert our taxes appropriately we would be able to afford this healthcare system with a minimal tax increase if really any at all.
But we won’t know if we don’t ever try it.
Lol what am I saying we’re so fucking ignorant that the CEO of dell computers didn’t know that we at one time had a 70% tax on our wealthiest citizens and that’s also when developed the majority of our infrastructure and the Middle class could afford to be a single worker household instead of both parents busting their asses just to make it.
But we get our information from the wealthy and why should they tell us to do something for ourselves with their money right? ?
Time to eat the rich. Have our own Bastille!
@CarolinaGirl60 I actually know where there’s a working one at.
The guy built it just in case Hillary won.
I asked what was going to do with once trump was elected? He said if it comes to it he’d use it on himself because he believed that trump’s head wouldn’t fit. ?
@48thRonin Too true, trumps ego knows no bounds!
The corporate and super rich tax gift that Donald Trump gave should be reversed, and taxing marijuana and legalizing it would pay for most of the health care tax , then a small individual tax increase which would be a lot less that what someone pays monthly for health insurance would be the way to get everyone free health care.
Yes...as long as it was part of a comprehensive plan to overhaul other areas that need fixing, like for profit healthcare and insurance companies...I am all for people making a reasonable profit, but it is hurting the profits of small businesses that are the heart of our communities...
Everyone involved with have to offer a bit of the pie to make this work for everyone...
I would like to see a not for profit goverment ins program based upon the old Blue Cross Blue Shield model that everyone once wanted for their insurance. It was viewed by unions, education and many many companies as the best there was available.The businesses liked it because it was low premiums for them everyone else liked it because the service and coverage was outstanding, So why reinvent the wheel adopt this old model and lets get on with it.
@Marine The first company I worked for was a small social service agency...we had Blue Cross...affordable, accessible...nonprofit...yes...it worked pretty well...I think it would be even better if employers were taken out of the picture...I would rather pay higher wages than health insurance premiums...but there would have to be some sort of credit or something since some businesses would pocket the profits...grrrrrr....
@thinktwice Good morning
Fun fact: I am a person who recently got a slight raise, $2/hr.... which happened to be just enough to push me over the maximum to qualify for medi-cal. I now have to pay for my health insurance... which is going to add up to more of an expense than the benefit of my raise. Is that what the libertarian element is this argument is really getting at? I was better off financially before getting a raise. That's what I'd rather pay a little tax increase to avoid.
You're in one of society's "manageable" pockets, eh?
I'm not convinced socialized health care would be that great. My cousins in Norway pay about 60% of their income in taxes but when my cousin, Solveig needed an operation, they still payed out of pocket to a private company because getting it through the socialized system would have required her to wait two years.
What I see here in the US with things that the government runs tends to lead me to believe it will be the same here, like the education system. We pour so much into education but still the teachers get paid crap and our test scores are lower than other countries.
I'm also concerned because I don't feel our medical care is very good to begin with. I go to the doctor only when I can't figure out how to solve a health problem myself but I've found them unable to solve those problems most of the time as well. I'm not crazy about the idea of forcing everyone to support that system.
There are benefits to government run programs but I'm not convinced that the benefits will outweigh the drawbacks in a government run health care system. I figure I'll probably have the chance to find out for sure, though, since it looks like we're headed that direction.
@PalacinkyPDX I personally believe a combination of both anecdotal and scientific information is the most reliable method to determine validity. I've encountered far too many bizarre "scientifically proven" facts to depend on them solely. What I mentioned about my cousins in Norway is just one of many things I'm taking into account.
The article you linked to is quite interesting. Another concern I have right now is people gouging insurance companies because they can get away with it more than they can individual patients. I believe a great deal of our skyrocketing healthcare costs is due to that. There are far simpler ways of fixing that problem than creating a whole new socialized system.
But like I said, I'm betting I'll get to find out firsthand in the near future. It probably won't make a huge difference to me. I'll still be avoiding doctors unless absolutely necessary.