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When religious practice moved from the temples and the priests to the private homes and individual practice is when religion really took off and grew. What we as atheists and agnostics must do is find the same secular practice for the home. This is very difficult because we never had the temple or church to move from.

Marine 8 Feb 2
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The ancient pagan temples had women who provided sex if you contributed to support the temple.

[en.wikipedia.org]

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[bbc.co.uk]

join one of those.

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Yeah but I don't like people that much any way.

OK have a nice day. They can be fun if you know the right ones.

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If non believers follow certain practices we then become just another religion.

Read below Thanks.

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i don't think so. we need to be careful not to be accused of brainwashing. just saying "there is no god, those other folks are crazy" over and over again, or making a useless ritual, will just breed rebellion, and we'll end up with kids in cults. what we need in the home is normal behavior, and be ready to have discussions -- planned, spontaneous and when asked -- about why people take refuge in religion, about how to be respectful of those people without having to respect the religions themselves, about how to tell when religious people are crossing the line and invading your lack of belief, and more. furthermore, i think it should not be announced and drilled that "we're atheists." that makes it sound as if atheism is our religion, or even our belief system (it's not a system!) instead, families should be given to know "we don't have any religion, because we know/believe/whatever there are no gods, and people like us are called atheists/agnostics/whatever, but that's not the name of a religion or anything. it's just a word that means we don't believe in any gods. so if someone asks you what religion you are, you say you have no religion, and if they ask you what god you believe in, then you say you're an atheist, which means you don't believe in any gods at all.

i would hate to see families develop atheist rituals, such as repeating, before dinner, "this looks yummy, and there aren't any gods, amen!" rofl rofl!

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I totally agree with everything U said, What i am trying to say is because of a lack of an organization where we can congregate with others that think like us we have a difficult trime presenting a united front. I understand your concern that we begin to practice rituals but that isn't necessary. I had belong to a group where I previously lived that numbered just over 100 members. We met once a month for a dinner followed by presentations of two people having a different view on a topic. What was really great was if I was for somethine ,for the presentation I had to take the position that I was against it . This made for a very interesting group from which I learned a great deal. Every member had to make a presentation once a year. As a result we were looked upon in the community as a group of decision makers which we did take part in My point is I wish we could assemble a simlar group meeting where our ideas could be vented and a strong honorable identity be constructed.

@Marine i would rather we joined an entity like the freedom from religion foundation.

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@genessa Sounds good but no chapter here.

@Marine What was the stated purpose of your organization?

@Meili Communication, relationship,political action, progress, support for science.

@Marine So nothing specifically about athiesm or agnosticism? Athiests and agnostics don't usually feel a need to unite for their cause. That's sort of part of the nature of them. As has been pointed out, there are a lot of organizations scattered all over that promote the sorts of things you've mentioned. If there isn't anything like that in your community and you'd like to see something like that, you'll find it most productive to focus on reaching out to others around you.

@Meili Thanks will do.

@Marine start one! it must be easy enough to find contact info on ron reagan (love his public service announcement saying he is not afraid of burning in hell!) he'll tell you, or connect you with someone who will tell you, how to set up a chapter. that would be a GREAT thing to do! i mean why reinvent the wheel when the freedom from religion foundation already does all that stuff? start a chapter!

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Secular/Sacred

Today people seem to think that the difference between secular and sacred is similar to the difference between science and superstition, but this perspective ignores the generic sense of the terms. Sacred, in general usage, just means something that is regarded as having the greatest value. And secular is everything else; just ordinary stuff.

There is nothing sacred about superstition and ignorance. Truth is, and always has been, sacred. Science is sacred; superstition is secular (common). Awareness of truth is sacred; ignorance is secular. Atheism, in its current incarnation as the rejection of reified mythology, is a step closer to, not away from, the sacred. Those who own the language of value will own the culture. Be careful who you relinquish sacred language to.

skado Level 9 Feb 2, 2019

Very well presented , I just want a place where the presenting can be done so we all can learn from each other.

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I don't believe that non-believers need a substitute or any type of "secular practice".

MizJ Level 8 Feb 2, 2019

Not a practice but a place to converse and share our ideas and dreams and relationships.

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In the city I lived (old city of Heidelberg for 15 years) the University was founded in 1386. It started, just as you said, in people's homes with lectures. As the number of attendees grew a school was created but mostly it was about theology and in Latin. In the 16th century a man named Desiderius Erasmus started the movement toward Humanism which is: "Humanism is a philosophical and ethical stance that emphasizes the value and agency of human beings, individually and collectively, and generally prefers critical thinking and evidence (rationalism and empiricism) over acceptance of dogma or superstition." Later, studies were done in the local vernacular instead of Latin. In the old city the University was all around my home along with traditional Fraternities.
Schools, today especially public schools are only about humanism and even private religious schools emphasize what people need to know to get by in the real world.
There is a huge movement (started in Britain) to make more secular ceremonies. Even the Unitarian church's services are secular.
I agree, we need to make secularism more pronounced and positive. We need to get rid of the negative stereotyping put on us by religion. For me a good start is with the terminology. Atheist is traditionally bad so it's time to replace it. One popular, international movement is the "Brights" [the-brights.net] I try to avoid the word atheist and also say I am godfree not godless.

I say I am a non-believer, a Secular Humanist.

@Bierbasstard I picked this up from another organization CBC (Childfree by Choice) [childfreebychoice.com]

I am a member of the brights and have been for less than a year. I havew been taking part in thje movement and it is providing some of what U say. We will see how it progresses.

@Marine I have been a member since they started. In the beginning there were actual monthly meetings.

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Birds of a feather flock together. I'm lucky to have several atheist agnostic friends sprinkled with a few moderately religious ones and we have game night at least every other week. No rituals but lots of laughter, world problem solving, food sharing plus wine and occasional pitchers of pina coladas and margaritas. Sometimes we even play games. In other words, we understand the value that socialization plays in religion's rituals.

Very ice it is a start

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I practice not going to church, not praying, not studying scriptures and using them to assess the righteousness of people around me, etc. I'm happy with my practice. I'm pretty sure if the religious knew how peaceful it makes me feel, they'd give it a try.

I agree but please read above.

@Marine What exactly above do you want me to read? I read the OP and replied to it. There are now quite a number of additional comments above mine to which you could be referring as well.

My reply to genessa

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What would that practice look like?

skado Level 9 Feb 2, 2019
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Since atheism and agnostism are such personal and individual positions there is no physical movement from anything and there wasn't any organization for the atheists or agnostics also. Thus we find it difficult to act as an organized movement to address our views, wishes and desires.Finding a strong leader and a strong form of rallying point is the only way we will be able to obtain a political position and a social recognition that isn't hostile.

Sigh...

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