Today's christians are scary people. This was a conversation I had on FB today. There is no reasoning whatsoever, and that scares me. I saw someone post on FB that our Supreme Court should honor the bible. Here is the conversation:
ME: You do realize our country was founded on the separation of church and state. The first amendment protects us from our government legislating on religious issues. If our country is going to be run according to biblical principles, then we give up our freedom. We might as well just be back in England under the rule of the English church and the monarchy. Why is it so hard to understand this?
POSTER: So you think it's okay to kill children?
ME: We have the freedom in this country to believe what we want, whether it is to believe that abortion is a sin and kills, or to believe that a woman gets to choose what to do with her body. The point is that it's our individual right based on our individual beliefs that should make the decision, not governmental legislation.
POSTER: God has the last say and you will answer to him for your belief.
ME: I haven't said anything about my personal religious beliefs, so why are you assuming I'm pro-abortion. You assume, without cause, or any proof, and that scares me.
You can always cite Numbers 5.... Christians rarely read the bible... Also tell them it doesn't matter what their opinion is if they hate abortion don't have one. Also refer them to the founding fathers like Thomas Jefferson and John Jay both of whom refused to sign off on either the articles of confederation unless they separated church and state (used before the constitution) and the constitution itself... Jefferson was the guy who used his razor to remove the superstitious crap from the bible and John Jay was a bible literalist preacher ...
"The Test for an Unfaithful Wife
11 Then the Lord said to Moses, 12 “Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘If a man’s wife goes astray and is unfaithful to him 13 so that another man has sexual relations with her, and this is hidden from her husband and her impurity is undetected (since there is no witness against her and she has not been caught in the act), 14 and if feelings of jealousy come over her husband and he suspects his wife and she is impure—or if he is jealous and suspects her even though she is not impure— 15 then he is to take his wife to the priest. He must also take an offering of a tenth of an ephah[c] of barley flour on her behalf. He must not pour olive oil on it or put incense on it, because it is a grain offering for jealousy, a reminder-offering to draw attention to wrongdoing.
16 “‘The priest shall bring her and have her stand before the Lord. 17 Then he shall take some holy water in a clay jar and put some dust from the tabernacle floor into the water. 18 After the priest has had the woman stand before the Lord, he shall loosen her hair and place in her hands the reminder-offering, the grain offering for jealousy, while he himself holds the bitter water that brings a curse. 19 Then the priest shall put the woman under oath and say to her, “If no other man has had sexual relations with you and you have not gone astray and become impure while married to your husband, may this bitter water that brings a curse not harm you. 20 But if you have gone astray while married to your husband and you have made yourself impure by having sexual relations with a man other than your husband”— 21 here the priest is to put the woman under this curse—“may the Lord cause you to become a curse[d] among your people when he makes your womb miscarry and your abdomen swell. 22 May this water that brings a curse enter your body so that your abdomen swells or your womb miscarries.”
“‘Then the woman is to say, “Amen. So be it.”
23 “‘The priest is to write these curses on a scroll and then wash them off into the bitter water. 24 He shall make the woman drink the bitter water that brings a curse, and this water that brings a curse and causes bitter suffering will enter her. 25 The priest is to take from her hands the grain offering for jealousy, wave it before the Lord and bring it to the altar. 26 The priest is then to take a handful of the grain offering as a memorial[e] offering and burn it on the altar; after that, he is to have the woman drink the water. 27 If she has made herself impure and been unfaithful to her husband, this will be the result: When she is made to drink the water that brings a curse and causes bitter suffering, it will enter her, her abdomen will swell and her womb will miscarry, and she will become a curse. 28 If, however, the woman has not made herself impure, but is clean, she will be cleared of guilt and will be able to have children."
Ultimately all Christians have is the threat of eternal damnation, because if they are honest, they are all scared shitless of their imaginary friend, have crept so far up it's metaphysical arse they could not find there way out with a Davy lamp and a pick axe
I avoid conversations with religious people. Some of my students and colleagues are religious (mostly ethnic Jews actually, but a few Catholics). We avoid certain topics. Everybody knows I'm not religous. I haven't hidden that fact.
No reasoning with forced birthers and gawd fanatics. They don't believe in science or facts or the laws as they are now written. I don't waste my time trying to talk to them anymore. You can't reason with stupid!!
Abortion is NOT "killing children". Clumps of parasitic cells are not "children".
However, GawdAwful is really good at killing children, giving them cancer, letting pedophiles abuse them, and letting them starve to death.
The virgin is just too much for me to take.
Pro abortion but don't advocate killing animals for food? That is weird. What about partial birth abortion?
@TheGreatShadow I thought we agreed that you would no longer address me in any post? Let's maintain that agreement.
@SkotlandSkye Block or scroll. Otherwise, I'd like to read how polar you can be about this.
Yeah, you're wasting your time. People today live in different universes. That(IMO) is the scary part. She probably gets all her news from Faux news and considers everything else as 'fake'. And thinks Trump is a "godly" and caring person.? Next time ask what color the sky is in her world, Lol...
I think one of (perhaps the?) most dangerous demographic we have in the USA is the fanatical straight evangelical white christian (and I assume that I hit the target with this person in your replies). You see these sorts of replies all the time - devoid of logic or science and utterly sure in their correctness.....
I applaud you on your patience, and the fact that you still attempt. Agreed, we need to be very concerned.