Feel most free and welcome to do so any time you wish my friend, any time you wish.

Well, the FIRST 5 books of the Xstian Bible, the Pentateuch, are somewhat loosely lifted and based upon the Hebrew Torah.

@Closeted, @Triphid yep loosely lol -- translations vary, and interpretations vary wildly. some random examples: in ezekiel, christians translate a hebrew word -- well, from other english, from other english, from latin, from greek, from hebrew, possibly from aramaic, but let's talk about hebrew -- as "virgin" but there is a hebrew word for virgin and a different one for young woman, and the one used in ezekiel is the one that means young woman, NOT virgin. also the nonchristian interpretation of the whole story is that it's about a specific war or wars, NOT predictive at all. well, oops, that kills the whole "predicts jesus" thing. another thing is ha-satan, not a name but a title, roughly meaning prosecuting attorney, not devil, not fallen angel, not demon.... okay that's random but i am no biblical scholar. jews don't have an old and new testament. they have the hebrew bible. there is talmud too but that's neither a bible nor related in any way to the christian bible; it's a book of commentary. hope that helps.

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@Closeted lol they expected to regurgitate judaism back to jews who already knew what judaism was? how funny!

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@genessa Yes, but are not the Laws of the Hebrews/Jews ALL contained within the Talmud?
E.G. "No Hebrew/Jew shall profit by loaning to a fellow Hebrew/Jew money for that is against Hebrew Law, BUT he may make as much profit as he can from loans made to the Gentiles."

@Triphid i think so, yeah, in leviticus and exodus and deuteronomy. while i'm at it, the prediction about the messiah was that he would be a HUMAN king and bring peace in his time.

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@genessa Which has never happened and more than likely never will.

@Triphid yup!

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Jesus is a major player in Islam and his mum even more so.

@Amisja yeah i suspected he had a role.

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Biblically ASSUMED exile, but never ever proven to be a factual exile.

I think you're talking about exile in Egypt. I'm talking about exile in Babylon.

I don't think passion is a good substitute for history. But first, I never spoke about Egypt, understanding that there is a big question mark over it. But Babylon is undisputed and has evidence on both sides to support the exile of the Israelites there.

[en.wikipedia.org]

@LimitedLight That's not my point in this topic. I'm rejecting the idea that the writers were goat-herders.

@LimitedLight Is it the @ that's bothering you? Anyway, you're speaking on a thread that's about whether the writers were goat-herders or not. You're suggesting evidence that what they wrote was incorrect. I never got into that.

@LimitedLight I think I'll just click on the name tag even if it adds the @. I'm not interested in your whims. I'm glad anyway that you realise what I was saying.

@brentan Well, since there never has any evidence, Archaeological or Historic ( other than the Mythology of the bible), of either the Hebrews being enslaved in Ancient Egypt or being captives in Babylon/Mesopotamia, etc, then one, with their RIGHT mind in full use can simply dismiss those claims as 100% erroneous to say the least, as can 100% of the claims made by the bible and Xstian religion in my honest and very well educated opinion.

@Triphid You're wrong. A google search will provide plenty of evidence for the exile in Babylon.

@brentan Yes and probably proof that Noah's Ark rests in the mountains of Anatolia as well.

@Triphid I'm only talking about the exile in Babylon. Google it. You'll be even more educated.

@brentan I'd hazard that given my degrees in both Ancient and Modern History plus my ThD that I might know a wee bit more about the so-called 'biblical' history than Google.

@Triphid Well, if you think between Babylon and Persian history one can find no evidence of the Jews in exile, I can't imagine what you're reading.

@brentan Actual HISTORICAL and Archeological records not those purely mythological Hebrew stories.

@Triphid The Babylonian captivity or Babylonian exile is the period in Jewish history during which a number of people from the ancient Kingdom of Judah were captives in Babylonia. After the Battle of Carchemish in 605 BCE, King Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon besieged Jerusalem, resulting in tribute being paid by King Jehoiakim.[1] Jehoiakim refused to pay tribute in Nebuchadnezzar's fourth year, which led to another siege in Nebuchadnezzar's seventh year, culminating with the death of Jehoiakim and the exile of King Jeconiah, his court and many others; Jeconiah's successor Zedekiah and others were exiled in Nebuchadnezzar's eighteenth year; a later deportation occurred in Nebuchadnezzar's twenty-third year. The dates, numbers of deportations, and numbers of deportees given in the biblical accounts vary.[2] These deportations are dated to 597 BCE for the first, with others dated at 587/586 BCE, and 582/581 BCE respectively.[3]

After the fall of Babylon to the Persian king Cyrus the Great in 539 BCE, exiled Judeans were permitted to return to Judah.[4][5] According to the biblical book of Ezra, construction of the second temple in Jerusalem began around 537 BCE. All these events are considered significant in Jewish history and culture, and had a far-reaching impact on the development of Judaism.

[en.wikipedia.org]

@brentan Brentan, so nice to see that you have ACTUALLY learned to use the correct dating notation of B.C.E. ( Before Common Era) than the IMPOSED arcane, archaic B.C. ( Before Christ) dating notation.
However, I hazard to say that merely reading Religion, Mythology and Psychology are NOT the best foundation for knowledge of REAL History.

@Triphid You're lost and desperate. Some other guy wanted to divert attention by criticising my use of an @. You've chosen an E. If you had read the post, you would realise it is pasted from Wiki. Here's another source for the historical truth of the exile:

[quora.com]

You'll really learn something if you watch the video too.

@brentan Just watched it and, A) there was no Iran or Iraq or even Persia at that time mentioned in Prophecies of Daniel, there WAS only Mesopotamia divided into separate nations/cultures, b) as we all, we most of us do, Prophecies are just that, Prophecies, NOT actual histories but merely HOPEFUL GUESSES/Dreams at the very least and are NOT the visions given by some Imaginary, Invisible Sky Dwelling Supreme Being that is non-existent, c) given that I am, as are quite a number of other TRUE Scholars, quite conversant with Cuneiform and both able to read, decipher and translate it as well as Egyptian Hieroglyphics ( both the Hieratic and Demotic) and that the true 'diplomatic' language of that era was Aramaic, the original language from which both Arabic, Hebrew, etc, sprang in the late 5th Century B.C.E. but only as a common method among traders at markets, etc, btw, and last but by no means least, d) history has proven that ONLY 30 of the so-called Leaders of the refusal to pay tribute were taken as hostages, NOT the almost entire 13, yes, THIRTEEN tribes of the land then known as Phoenicia and Philistia NOT Judaea or Israel ( especially NOT Israel since that only came into being AFTER W.W.II and the Balfour Accord btw), ergo 'biblical history' is complete wrong to say the very least.
Now, my dear Sir, I humbly suggest that you at least TRY to read something far more enlightening than Mythology and Religion for a change, it MAY help with your understanding of Human history, etc.

@Triphid I have never seen such a demonstration of strawmanning as your comments. I have been defending the historical fact of the Jewish exile in Babylon since the thread began. All these other issues are your concerns, not mine.

@brentan My dear Sir, there is an old saying that goes something like, " There are none so dumb that than those who simply REFUSE to listen or Learn," so, if you do NOT mind, I think I may go and watch the grass grow for I feel it may be far more productive in many ways.

@Triphid Goo
d idea! But remember - the Jews were exiled in Babylon.

@brentan In the words of a wise man, I can't quite recall whom it was atm, " Rave on Avon."

@Triphid Ah, you're back! Right on cue. And you still have nothing to offer on the Babylonian exile.