So, then children who murder other children shouldn't be held responsible for their actions either? Past the age of 12-13, kids clearly know right from wrong -- some would even argue that they know by ages 9-10.

She KNEW what she was doing. She IS responsible.

@SkotlandSkye In UK law it isn't so clear as that. There are different levels of legal competence. It is not always about age. There is Gillick competence which refers to legal decisions about the child's physical body. It isn't set in stone but some children have made decisions to refuse treatments or take contraception from very young ages. There is the age of majority which is 18, age of consent is 16. In addition crimes depend on understanding but a child is considered old enough to be somewhat responsible for murder after the age of 10! However on these occasions (Thankfully incredibky rare). The children are cared for in a special hospital.

@SkotlandSkye she killed others?

@hippydog No she didn't

I agree.

She is British. A 15 year old school girl who was groomed. Bring her home.

@chazwin She's NOT a 15 year old. She's an adult who has been radicalized. She LIKES here life with IS. On the other hand, I'd be willing to allow her back as long as the baby is taken from her and put up for adoption and then her sorry ass is deported again.

Why can't her LOSER husband and her precious religion take care of her?
This is NOT the responsibility of the British people to fix.

@SkotlandSkye She is an English girl. We cannot condemn her and it is illegal to make her stateless. She was a young girl who was lied to and radicalised. She was vulnerable. She is only just an adult now. We need to bring her home and put her through the counselling that is provided for people in her situtation. It is not illegal to be radicalised as a child. She has not commited any offences..she has just been a very silly girl.

@Amisja She renounced her country and she has NO REMORSE. She is a DANGER.

As I said, let her rot and be a cautionary tale for other girls who would consider such foolish ideas.

@SkotlandSkye She didn't renounce her citizenship.

@Amisja Mentally and philosophically she did.

@SkotlandSkye Legally that won't matter, especially as she was a child

@SkotlandSkye She will come home and she hasn't and could not legally renounce her citizenship.

@Amisja We can go round and round on this. I'm not changing my mind and you're not changing yours.

Personally, I think it's a shame she didn't have a bomb dropped on her head.
There are far more deserving people waiting in line to immigrate.
I have no sympathy for her at all and don't give a hoot what happens to her.

If she does come back, she belongs in jail.

Her Mum and Dad were on TV a lot. They were distraught. It awful

@SkotlandSkye we don't jail children

@Amisja
#1 her mum and dad are responsible for this happening -- this is the result of lousy parenting too...
#2 she's NOT a child

@SkotlandSkye Her parents are not responsible. She is Gillick responsible. Its a weird difference in US and British law.

Not at all. My sympathy is with her family and her baby. Her parents were on TV clutching her PJs. It was a tragic. These weren't zealously religious Muslims. They were a normal British family. Her and her friends were like lots of teenage girls and fell for the bad guys. The comment she makes about not caring a severed head is very very telling. She is suffering from an adverse crisis response, much like PTSD. Ironically, I have encountered this before in service personnel. Often it is when they start to refeel that PTSD starts to really affect them. This was a child.

@Amisja there are consequences for her childish choice. I feel bad for her parents, but that's probably true for parents of many terrorists. You are very generous in seeing the good child in her, but your generosity maybe ill deserved. Save it for the countless children who were victims of IS.

@Beowulfsfriend criminal abettment is as good or bad as committing the crime.

@Beowulfsfriend What happens is they initially isolated. She will be given specialist therapy which refocus on rebuilding the emotional context of her experiences. The mind is very good at protecting us temporarily from horrors but we eventually pay the price. Emotional flooding can cause PTSD. In addition grooming is extremely powerful, especially if the individual believes they are in the service of god. Its terribly sad. However she has not renounced her citizenship, it is illegal to make her stateless, she will come home.

@Spongebob what crime?

@Amisja Shall we start with Aiding and Abetting a Terrorist Organisation?

@Beowulfsfriend Monitoring anyone can only go as far as the 'monitors' can manage.

@Triphid It reflects the common law principle that aiding, abetting, counselling or procuring another person to commit an offence is not itself a distinct offence.

@Amisja So, what I perceive that you are saying is should someone knowingly give their support/consent by way of actions/finances/inactions, etc, to another person or group of persons INTENT upon committing a crime such Terrorist Acts, Rape., Murder, etc, etc, then that, in itself, is NOT a 'Distinct Offence by Law, Common or otherwise?
Ergo, IF you were in someone's home and being raped and the home-owner/resident knew full well that you were being raped and did NOTHING to prevent it then you would ONLY want Common Law to be used to prosecute the Rapist and his accomplice as well?

@Triphid This is British law. Equally even had there been an offence, she was a child when she commited it.

@Triphid In USA you can be still guilty of murder if you stood by and watch someone you know commit murder. In UK, that is not the case. Check out the tragic case of Derek Bentley:
[en.m.wikipedia.org]

Don't be too hard. She was a child

@OwlInASack, @Amisja was a child

@Amisja, @OwlInASack I'd be very bias in my favour

@Amisja I think that's a big problem not being hard enough on people doing wrong

@OwlInASack hanging never stopped criminals but it deffinatly stopped the criminal being hung

@OwlInASack there is no evidance but if she stayed where she was we wouldnt have another radical in our country

@OwlInASack freedom fighter or terrorist?

So what's your excuse for living?

She has not denounced British citizenship, she belongs at home

What crminal case?

@Amisja Yeah, serving time after being held to account by her peers. If only to help put off others from going.

@Amisja Fighting with, supporting a proscribed terrorist organisation. Bearing arms against UK soldiers or allies. Once upon a time she'd have returned to a firing squad or hanging for treason.

@Savage I seriously don't think she has commited a crime. She was radicalised which is something like brain washing. She will need a lot of support but she is ours.

Or traitors as they used to be called

@Amisja most jihad fighters are radicalized when they are very young. This girl grew up in the UK. What reasonable person could get radicalized in the UK? I can understand why someone in Afghanistan would get easily radicalized seeing his or her compatriots get bombed routinely. I am more in favor of leniency towards such a person.

@Amisja I really don't want to tell you, you're wrong, so will just say, you're not right. Here's the latest on it. [bbc.co.uk]

@Savage She won't be prosecuted. I read it. She is damaged. We need to undo what has happened to her.

@Amisja Actually, prosecuting her could well be good for her and others like her. It makes her mistakes real, they have consequence, without that, what is stopping her changing her mind in future or others seeing no down side to going as well. Also it will help deflect those who would like to lynch her, especially if she is seen to get away scot free.