@Renickulous Murder is never justified by definition. This quibble aside, the circumstances around each piece of evidence would have to be understood. I did, however, use the word "statistically" advisidly. One would expect that all the killings of innocent civilians by police would form similar patterns of accidental, self-defence, mistaken identity, &c. If after doing that triage, the black to white ratio clearly showed bias, then that would constitute useful evidence. Would you agree?

@Renickulous Murder is defined as illegal killing. If it is legal, it is not murder. The notion of illegality is built into the word.

@tkcoy I do not question his good faith; I do question your sweeping assumption that the question is clear, unambiguous, and has a simple answer. You seem to think I have a position: I do not. My example was chosen to test what kind of evidence would be required to satisfy "Dude's" need. As it happens, even if it were shown that more blacks than whites are killed by police, I would not consider that in itself sufficient evidence to prove generalised racism. I don't mind responding to the initial premise as stated: yes, the USA is a racist place, but so is every other country, city, continent, place on earth. Now how far along does that get us?

@Renickulous I don't lie. It is a racist country

@OwlInASack Thank you...

@Renickulous Blocked TR...well done

@Renickulous Nice checkmate. Touché

@Renickulous no. what I meant to convey is that you will not be discriminated against based on your sex or skin color alone. Perhaps something else like religion....

@Renickulous lucky for me I have experienced racism and sexism in my short 50 years. I have been refused to be served based on my skin color and been a victim of sexual assault. Both evidence of good old white boy values.

@Renickulous I’d call those ‘patterns’ US History ~

@Renickulous It’s hard to define pornography, too … other than ‘we know it when we see it.’

@Renickulous I’d suggest a trip to Mexico, the deeper the better.. It’s where I first felt racist vibes, as the locals were laughing at my (February) skin ..while sizing up our small contingent of outsiders. They may not have felt superior, but definitely in control.

Nothing outside the human condition, as I’ve attempted to describe, it was simply their turf. Had we not grabbed Texas ...you wouldn’t have to travel as far.. I suspect there’s an element of success involved in order to truly feel superior and not just ‘in power.’

The majority within US had such success, often earned it, and are/ were justifiably proud of it. Those of character rarely if ever flaunted it, while those of less character did, regularly. As competition and resource depletion forced us to compete with a world we’d become far removed … it couldn’t be our arrogance, complacency, or self-righteous sense of entitlement lowering our excessive standard of wastefulness - so it must be them!

Look how they live and work as one ..you can’t even tell em apart … and they won’t even speak our language.. They’re taking over - breeding like rats! They’re taking our jobs, our neighborhoods - and our daughters! ..cuz our damn demise can’t be our fault. So grope a Flag, hang those stars & bars, put on your hood and let’s burn us a Cross! ‘God Bless America!’

...that’s what racism in the US looks like to me..

@Varn Do you now? If you cannot define it, then it becomes subjective opinion which may not be universal. Just because there is a word for something does not mean that it exists.

@Renickulous All humanity is racist to varying degrees. The enlightened learn to rise above it, while the squeaky wheels get the attention.

Right now, the US Presidential Administration consist of racists. Along with the Republican Party, they likely represent an active third of US voters. They remain vocal and aggressive, thus their racism permeates our landscape. Does that make the USA a racist nation?

What I get from your lack of contemplative rebuttal is the obvious playing of game, not an honest attempt or desire to parse reality. Reality is not black & white, and the failure to acknowledge shades of gray appears juvenile, at best..

@Renickulous ...and you are obviously looking for an argument more than an answer. Though I’m sure you’d not understand, accept, or appreciate any sociological research study supporting evidence in either direction. And with the ‘meaning’ of every word open to interpretation, it’s not as clever as you may think to insist the interpretation of others are consistently less than your own.

@Renickulous You made a statement of your belief. It is not up to others to change your beliefs... It is up to you.

The US does have racism and to deny it is sheer lunacy. Evidence is all around. I'll not carry it to you... It is up to you to experience and understand. It's like me asking you to prove that god doesn't exist. You can't.

@Renickulous "That's how thinking works." You should look for your own evidence as THAT is how thinking actually works. I have better things to do than to try to prove to you that the sky is actually blue and air actually exists even though you cannot see it!

@Renickulous If you don't think the USA has an issue with racism... You don't understand anything!

@tkcoy Then he should move out of the white neighborhood in Texas to someplace with a little more color. If he thinks the USA isn't racist it is not up to me to prove him wrong. And yes, that would show that he is uneducated... and poorly travelled as well. For people like that... It's something they need to find out for themselves as no proof will do. Just like Trump's blind followers believe 100% of everything he says and that he never lies...

Meh... He's just a troll anyway...

@Renickulous It's up to you if you want to look for it. Once it is seen you may have to take sides or be witness. Just be careful and have someone you trust with you if you decide to seek. Keep us posted on your quest.

@Renickulous you must walk in the subway or ride a bus late Saturday night in a red light district or find a frequented yew bush that houses the downtrodden. Look in trash cans for a while and when you find yourself in a competition for the goodies, then charge in. Be prepared for a confrontation.

@Renickulous trust me bro

@Renickulous Of course you are wrong. I was pointing out that whether you think there is racism or not depends on your prospective, you don't see it because you are not on the receiving end of it. I am not saying you are a racist either, but the fact that you are not can also be an observation bias.

@Renickulous That is part of it. But before I go further let me ask you how many black, Latino, First Nations and asian friends you have that you would let stay at your home while you were away?

@Renickulous I asked you that question to help you understand bias of perspective. Why is it grosser for someone to be racist against white people than it is for white people to be racist against other races?

@Renickulous You seem uncomfortable giving me a direct answer to a very simple question, why is this?

@Renickulous I am not defending racism at all. So, will ask you again ; how many black, Latino, First Natives and asian friends do you have that you would let stay at your home while you are away/ A very simple question.

@Renickulous Wow, you seem to be awful defensive over this, do you have trouble trusting others? I can answer that question easily and that answer is all of them, friends are people you con trust. You also want to put word into others mouths just as you just did. You choose words like "gross" and "evil" words that belay fear and disgust telling me you think like a conservative. Your defensiveness through out this thread suggest that you have no interest in the opinions of others and are just here to pick fights. Understanding racism from the view point of the race generally exhibiting the greatest amount of racist behaviour requires empathy do you know what that even is? Understanding racism means that you need to step out of your own shoes and into the shoes of others you seem very reluctant to do that.

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@Renickulous There are thousand and thousands of incidents as you like to call it "discrimination" based on race what is that if it is not Racism. Thank you for making My point.

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@Renickulous By your own admission the law enforcement is racist, as I have shown the justice system is racist, but you know nothing says racism like the distribution of wealth by race. [prospect.org]

@Renickulous Here is proof of your racial bias, you may need to ask yourself are you a racist? Here is your statement: "It's about culture not race, if you dress and act like someone who advocates anti cop pro drug behaviour you are going to pull them over first every time. " There is no basis in fact here at all, this is your perception of a race, facts do not back up your statement at all. You are expressing a false racial bias to cover up racism. [ncbi.nlm.nih.gov] [huffingtonpost.ca]

@tkcoy It seems to me that a cop harassing anyone for how they are dress when not acting directly on a complaint is not only wrong but illegal.