Something worth thinking about:
Quote from Bruce Hood -- Psychologist:
It seems almost redundant to call for the retirement of the free willing self, as the idea is neither scientific nor is this the first time the concept has been dismissed for lack of empirical support. The self did not have to be discovered; it’s the default assumption most of us experience, so it wasn’t really revealed by methods of scientific inquiry.
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Yet the self, like a conceptual zombie, refuses to die. It crops up again and again in recent theories of decision making, as an entity with free will which can be depleted. It reappears as an interpreter in cognitive neuroscience, as able to integrate parallel streams of information arising from separable neural substrates. Even if these appearances of the self are understood to be convenient ways of discussing the emergent output of multiple parallel processes, students of the mind continue to implicitly endorse the idea that there’s a decision maker, an experiencer, a point of origin.
We know the self is constructed because it can be so easily deconstructed – through damage, disease, and drugs. It must be an emergent property of a parallel system processing input, output, and internal representations. It’s an illusion because it feels so real, but that experience is not what it seems. The same is true for free will. Although we can experience the mental anguish of making a decision... the choices and decisions we make are based on situations that impose on us. We don’t have the free will to choose the experiences that have shaped our decisions.
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By abandoning the free willing self, we’re forced to reexamine the factors that are truly behind our thoughts and behavior and the way they interact, balance, override, and cancel out. Only then will we begin to make progress in understanding how we really operate.
"The self did not have to be discovered; it’s the default assumption most of us experience, so it wasn’t really revealed by methods of scientific inquiry."
It is the way we socially construct reality prior to looking at what science has to say. Does the sun rise? Of course it rises, but does it rise according to "scientific inquiry"? Well no it does not rise scientifically, so then what does that mean to say the sun rises, except that it is the way it looks to us.
Even if there is no scientific self, there is a self, and that self is prior to, different in kind and in lots of ways much more important than the scientific notion of the self.
word salad
If you want to be controversial then try reading Jacques Lacan, much more cogent and interesting
You can disagree with the ideas or premises, but it's not just "word salad". And I'm not trying to be controversial, I'm trying to use my brain and consider different ideas.
@tnorman1236 No, I don't disagree, however believe me that is just word salad.
The whole piece is filled with neuro linguistic buzz words designed to make it appear to be saying something of merit or interest, but actually amounts to nothing more than a rehashing of the age old (old) argument that self and free will are illusion born of the "fact" that you can never know from whence ideas, desires and needs actual originate. (Which is by the way demonstrably bogus)
Now I said that in 22 comprehensible words, where as your abridged quotation takes 302 words more than 50% of which are superfluous, to hint at the beginnings of a similar idea.
As I said "Word Salad" masquerading as pseudo intellectualism.
You are not a "self"???????
In a way, yes, in a way, no.
@tnorman1236 how much older do you think you will need to get before that happens? I am a product of severe abuse & became a SELF at age 19, so I guess wha rte they say about silver linings is right
@AnneWimsey The comment below by @Matias is a good summary of what I think. It has nothing to do with gaining a "self" as you live.