I have a magnet quote on my fridge: "Call me crazy, but I hope someday women have more rights than guns do." (and I will add school children to that quote's message......)

Wow a little extreme aren’t we not!?

No body likes for children to be shot at their schools.
And I’m sure that you’re full of logical solutions for this and none of them include stopping the media from focusing 90% on the assailant therefore raising the bar for the next psycho that wants nothing more than to be infamous.

Getting mugged by junkies? Not everyone who muggs people are junkies but thanks for your sharing that you have stereotypical ideologies.
Anyway thanks for your opinions. ??

@48thRonin
So the right to not be shot is not of equal merit with the right to bear arms?
Rights are only rights when they are expedient to your argument?
Did I say all such crime was directly attributable to junkies? No I said in the case of people being mugged/burgled or robbed BY junkies.
Way to avoid answering the question by presuming to know my ideologies and attempting to demonise me (poorly), which you didn't by the way.

I ask agains can a right be curtailed if that right either directly or indirectly impinges on the rights of another person?
Do you have an answer?

@LenHazell53 You have the right to not be in a car wreck which occur more often than shootings but I don’t hear people demanding that cars be taken off the road.

No you hear the same thing about guns make them safer and train people to not misuse them and fucking punish them if they do.

Seriously Len neither one of us are running for office so your instigating this into political issue will fail. So take it or leave because I do have the right to not engage you in the manner for which you’re seeking.

@48thRonin The thing about a car wreck is a bit poor comparison, something I would expect from Donald and his ilk saying. By the way car manufacturers are trying to make cars safer all the time, I cannot say that they NRA is doing the same when it comes to guns, and don't tell me guns don't kill people do. Seriously.

@Jolanta Comparing me to trump will get you nor anyone else anywhere so please save it for those who don’t know themselves.

As far as car manufacturers doing their part that’s great so are several firearms are attempting to do the same with different safety items as well as pushing for more and better training.

And if you noticed that I didn’t say anything about the NRA it’s because they don’t actually manufacture any firearms. Just saying.

You gave a perfectly logical response to a logically flawed post. I smiled as I read much of the ensuing "debate". It truly is impossible to have a rational discussion with an irrational person.

@LenHazell53 Ok how’s about this you think that you’re right and I think that I’m right and neither of us are going to change our opinions.

So go down to the quarry and kick rocks.

@LenHazell53 Actually you know what fuck that.
You’re right we’re trained and licensed to drive vehicles with tons of safety features and there’s still more people killed in vehicle accidents than firearms domestically.

And just so you know that most people who do own and carry firearms have been trained and certified.
Which is why we’re least likely to shoot someone but a fucking criminal is a fucking criminal.

And instead of appearing to be so fucking right you could use that energy to acknowledge the causes and their solutions other than popular party rhetoric that focuses solely on the effects.

So solutions or silence sir which one are you capable of??

@48thRonin
Well since you refuse to answer the initial points raise earlier in the thread and prefere Blowhardery to honesty, I'll reserve my solutions for some one capable of rational discussion.
Cheerio old fruit.

@LenHazell53 Ahhh shucks

Sounds like you’re politicizing it for the benefit of justifying your own inability to see and accept things for how and what they are.

@48thRonin And this is how the provocation begins....and ends.

@mojo5501 Yeah my point exactly. ?

@48thRonin I see things the way they are and want to change the way they are.

@mojo5501 I’m not saying that nothing should ever be changed but I must question as to whether it or not it actually needs to be changed or is the desire for change coming from the need to change things to fit “ our “ perspective?

Just saying that I don’t like several things and I do personally feel that they should be changed.
But I’m also aware that my personal biases shouldn’t regulate the wants and desires of others so therefore I don’t push mine upon others.

You know that whole life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness thing that everyone is entitled to.