The wall in Isreal does not work, that is unless you want to consider one side of the controversy only. The wall has brought a modicum of protection to the illegal settlers and neighbors on the Isreali side of the wall. Not entirely though. Just like our southern border, there is a certain amount of porosity. If people are desparate enough, they will go under, go over, go through, whatever it takes.
Now, if you look at the Palestinians inside the wall, the perspective is quite different. Its not a matter of separating the two factions, instead its a matter of encapsulation and deprivation. When the wall was built, Palestinian houses were destroyed, without permission, acquiescence, or compensation to the families displaced. The deplorable conditions enclosing peoples on the Palestinian side are unacceptable in a civilized world The wall is comperable to ghettoization of the Jews in European cities during WWII.
The Jewish state has claimed that the wall is needed to protect them from terrorist attacks eminating out of Gaza and West Bank. There is some truth in their sentiments. Hammas and other groups have wrecked havoc and fear. But the ultraconservative Administration extant in Isreal have exacerbated the sitiation and unrest by illegally stealing land ceded to the Palestians and openly promoting Isreali settlement in what should have been Palestinian land. The present Administration has kept the kettle of unrest and deprivation hot. Is it any surprise that people seek answers in violence, when other avenues are denied them?
The unfortunate thing is that there are significant numbers of Israelis who disgree with the existing policies toward Gaza and the West Bank. They propose a different tact, one which is more respectful of the Palestinian faction. They are not in control of the government, but their influence is growing.
So Trump, when you say the wall in Isreal is working, look beyond Bibi and his propaganda machine and look at both sides if rhe argument. To oppose a policy being advanced by Isreal is not to be anti-semetic, rather it is to just oppose an untenable and unfair policy, nothing more.
[journals.openedition.org]
The Impact of the West Bank Wall on the Palestinian Labour Market
[blogs.ei.columbia.edu]
A Look at the Israeli West Bank Barrier Wall
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Israeli wall isolates Palestinian communities
I have as little respect for the Israeli government as I do our own. The conservatives over there complain of persecution of the Jewish people, while persecuting the Palestinians. They are hypocrites just like the conservatives here. Britain, with the support of the U.S. made a horrible mistake when they moved the European Jews to Israel. This was not their home. They should have given them a slice of Germany. It would be like sending American born Irish from the U.S. to Ireland, throwing the Irish out of their homes and giving them to us.
I do not agree. The Jewish people originated in the part of the Levant known today as Isreal. Archaeologically and genetically Isreal and Babylonia are the homeland of the Jews. The Jewish people have been the victems of innumeable diasporas through history. The idea that the Jews of Eorope wanted to return their homeland after the atrocities of WWII is not hard to undetstand. Throughout their history outside of Isreal, whenever they were subjected to a diaspora, the natural inclination was to return to their homeland. Some made it, some settled on the way in the lands they crossed.
The Balfour Agreement and the White Paper were poorly enforced and administeted by America and Britain, who after WWII were pre-eminent colonizing force in the area. Essentially the state of Isreal was created by the Brits, who then sat offshore waiting for the Palestinians and Arabs to drive the new Jewish settlers into the sea. As it turned out the Jews were able to beat the Arab onslaught off despite overwhelming odds. Historically, Jews, Arabs, and Palestinians lived peaceably next to one another in the area as pastoral and agricultural peoples, that is until the State of Isreal was carved out. The influx of Jews after the war, and the administration of the agreement dispaced many Palestinians off the land they had been living on for generation (forced relocation in order to accomodate the Jewish influx).
As far as giving the Jewish people a segment of Germany to make up for the Holocaust, I couldn't agree more. But the Jews were percieved as a problem for the Allied forces. Racism was rampant in Europe and America beyond Germany. The allied forces didn't want to deal with the immigrstion of the Jews into their countries, so they came up with the idea of creating a separate country in their homeland: Isreal.
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DNA study confirms geographical origin of Jews
[en.m.wikipedia.org]
History of ancient Israel and Judah
@t1nick I don't care about that either. It is just common sense, something human beings have been lacking for all of recorded history, otherwise this planet would be a much nicer place to live. Being in the minority doesn't make one wrong. Given how fucked up the majority of human beings are, I am very comfortable being there, thank you very much.
@t1nick ,
something to think about: the vast majority of jews which settled in israel & then palestinian land are east european jews & have very little middle-east blood; many of them probably not much more than my wife who found out to her surprise that she's 3% east european jewish.
'The current brouhaha arises over a recent study by Eran Elhaik and is accompanied by his personal attacks on more mainstream scientists who have eviscerated his work. In the face of overwhelming evidence from dozens of studies over twenty years from geneticists and historians around the world, Elhaik is aggressively stumping on behalf of his belief that most Jews trace their seminal ancestry not to the Middle East but to the Caucusus and Eastern Europe.'
i tried to post a link to this article with chrome but something interfered. anyway his name is in several reports concerning dna.
@callmedubious. i can see that. But its about heritage, and dislocation. After the events arising from the Holocaust, the desire to remain in the geographic area that made them suffer so badly was probanly hard to stomach. The history of the diaspora is deeply ingrained in the culture and the drive to retirn to the homeland is strong, regarless of the genetic connection, orclack of it.
Lived next to a well-off non-practicing New York raised Jew back in Oregon. She’d described Israeli politics much as ‘our own,’ a large segment of good people ..consistently out maneuvered or voted by an ugly faction resembling our Republicans.
Terry Gross of NPR had run an interview 4 or 5 years ago where a guy described the fanatical religious ‘fundamentalist christians’ of the USA basically ‘supporting’ the radical elements of the Israeli government in order to increase tension and conflict in order to bring about their twisted ‘end of the world’ prophecies - beginning with war in the middle east…
Siding with their fanatics, the Republican Party (in the USA) have thus supported any & every contentious move on the part of hardline Israeli politicians and instigators, including their horrendous and hideous ‘wall’ … of which our baby-man president is envious of..
Religion - yet again - at the core of death & conflict..?
I concur. I have been saying exactly this for years. My ex-wife is Jewish and she agrees with my assessment. Any fundamentalist sect is dangerous due to their inflexible and intolerent policies.