Is there a group regarding men's rights?
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Feel free to reply to any comment by clicking the "Reply" button.You're kidding, right? You mean other than the constitution, and every other law made before women were ever considered? Oy vey.
AzVixen52
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Apr 7, 2019
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cynical
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Mar 28, 2019
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Unless you're looking for more of a MGTOW "men going their own way" crap. [agnostic.com]
Dear, you have all the rights. You made them; and you enforce them. What else do you require: admiration?
Spinliesel
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Mar 25, 2019
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Here's your 5th like!! You can tell who's little man ego is hurt by your comment. This isn't the 1940's any longer...….you go, sister!
Most men's rights groups, in my experience, are really just men whining about them no longer having ALL the rights in an unquestioned fashion. They want to regain their privileged position of calling all the shots in relationships, in the workplace, etc., and put women back in "their place". And those are the NICE ones. Some of them demonize women as the source of all their disappointments and problems in life, and think of them as their oppressors.
@FatherOfNyx is generally correct that men historically tended to get the short end of the stick in child custody, however, it is a short end they didn't much mind or trust me, they would have long since seized it back. My wife gave her ex 50/50 custody and ended up regretting it in some important ways because he got half the face time and she still ended up doing 90% of the nurturing, planning and communicating, and then the even split created discipline problems as the kids learned how to wait out both sets of parents.
Also when my wife's ex remarried inexplicably to a complete battle-axe, the new wife took over (and he let her) and got my wife's child custody cut in half, her fitness as a mother questioned because she elected to stay at home with the kids rather than pursue a lucrative career, and a bunch of other stuff. So that was a pretty good expression of male power and privilege right there.
mordant
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Mar 24, 2019
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@TCorCM No. Not the point I was making. I offered no opinion on that topic, and if I had, it would have been irrelevant. I did not say men should want to do "all" the child care or anything resembling that; I said that in general, men don't want to do very much of it or, historically speaking, they would have been in a position of power to make that happen. Historically, men got what they wanted and what women had, men allow them to have.
Nor did I suggest the traditional roles should be reversed; that would be just as inequitable.
Both parents should nurture, plan and communicate, and in particular coordinate discipline and practical matters like health care, staying out in front of problems that arise, etc. This is called "co-parenting". In my experience in spit households it is the woman on whom most of this burden usually falls. If the woman doesn't do it, it won't happen -- even if the father pays child support and has some involvement with his children in terms of custody and activities.
In fairness this is just an extension of the uneven child-raising responsibilities many married couples have -- Dads do the fun stuff, and leave the rest for Mom.
@TCorCM Dude. I very carefully qualified what I said with words like, "generally", "many", "usually", and of course "in my experience" (although I have about 3x as much of it as you, son).
Your father is an exception? Lucky you. I am too. I was always deeply involved in my children's upbringing and ultimately was not only a single father, but their sole custodial parent. So sure there are exceptions, and sure men are capable of doing a god job of parenting. Neither of which were my point.
You keep coming back to "natural facts", whatever those are, and which I didn't address or make assertions about. Nor did I suggest anyone should be "forced" or "indoctrinated". You seem to be assuming or superimposing or projecting something or other on what I'm trying to say here. Just chill and read what I actually said, and you might find out we're in substantial agreement.
I can see why some men feel opressed by their emotions. It's really hard for most of us to accept how broken we have become, and it seems like the older you are, the more it's piled up. Everyone has a right to pursue happiness for themselves, I like lifting weights.
MarkiusMahamius
Level 7
Mar 22, 2019
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The only special need for men's rights I can think of would be in regard to child custody. Historically, the court system has naturally favored the mother.. but that is slowly changing.
What rights do you feel you're being denied just for being a man?
FatherOfNyx
Level 7
Mar 22, 2019
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Not so slowly. My son just lost big time in my divorce because the court thought being "fair" to hjs father waa more important than what was best for him.
Men’s rights to do what? Men, especially white men, already have all the rights, and whatever has been curtailed is from their abuse of said rights.
‘Mens Rights’ is another word for misogynistic backwards-thinking asshats. In my experience.
CarolinaGirl60
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Mar 22, 2019
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