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Addicts. Let me ask you guys about addicts.

Drug addicts in particular. How do you view them? Do you view them as horrible people? As people who chose their fate? Do you sympathize or do you view them as a waste?

To me it's so so complicated. I come from a LOOOOONG line of addicts (mom recovered easily, some not so lucky) and I know that I have something hardwired in me to be an addict. Whether it's drugs, alcohol, gambling, or food, I can't escape that programming. Yes, the first time is a choice, but eventually it is not and addicts are victims of a horrible disease.

Yes most don't want help. It's just like how many people with severe mental illness don't think they have mental illness. However the ones that want help, want it desperately, struggle the most.

I wish we as a nation allocated more money into funding actual treatment based on actual research that yielded actual results. As it is, most addicts relapse multiple times, and it breaks my heart to see them treated like these horrible people when they're just unwell.

LadyAlyxandrea 8 Mar 3
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I have that addiction thing as well. I finally kicked drugs and booze to the curb 10 years ago. I don't struggle with it anymore. God or some higher power had nothing to do with it. I went through two rehabs and immediatly went right back to it afterwards. It took total disgustment with myself to do it. It is an illness, not a life style choice.

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As a former meth-head I can say that all people are saveable. I say this because I recovered, most don't. Addicts are all people, somebody's mom, daughter, son, or father. Often they do terrible things, this is wrong and they need to be punished or treated. Given the current president I find it hard to judge them in a harsh manner, I buy them food, work at soup kitchens, give to charities that help them. I want the best for them, whatever that is. I don't bring them home.

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I view them as people who -knowing what drugs do to a person- go and take their first snore / get the first injection / smoke their first joint.....

I presented this question to my students...in every class...and the answers (9 out of 10) were "They don't think they will be hooked."

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Addicts are beautiful people that have a horrible problem

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Addiction is a disease. No one becomes an addict for shits and giggles. I'm involved in research targeting tolerance in opioid users. Addiction is very complicated, so people treating addicts like lazy assholes just don't know much about addiction

Please, let me ask you: How a person becomes an addict? And I am not talking about the ones whose prescriptions made them addicts.

@DUCHESSA It's a very loaded question. In short, I don't know. There is no one mechanism of how the addiction forms, there are many variables, from genetic predisposition, to nurture, to mental and other co-morbidities that put one at risk. @icolan provided you with some links. If you noticed, I specified which part of the problem I am currently working with, and it's tolerance development.

Addiction is far too broad of a term. I am only focusing on tolerance, and boy, it in itself is so complicated. My work can be more applied to people with chronic pain who have to take medications. They start developing tolerance after first dose of an opioid. Then tolerance builds, especially if the pain is chronic and/or severe, they require more and more, they also start experiencing hyperalgesia, which sometimes prompts them to take more medications. It's a vicious circle that spirals out of control.

How people develop addictions outside of prescription drugs, is a somewhat different story, but the main mechanisms are still there: tolerance, cravings, psychological and physical dependence, underlying causes (emotional or physiological); all that requires a lot of work, treatment, and support.

The problem with addiction is normally it starts before one is even conscious of it happening (nature vs nurture thing). In a family of alcoholics or drug abusers, children experience trauma, sometimes so severe, the only way they know how to deal with it, they go down the same road as their parents. they try to combat the pain, isolation, depression, etc. It's rare for them to escape this life and become fully opposed to substance abuse. Few know of the risks, especially if tendency to develop addiction (to gambling, or drinking, or anything else) and just avoid the potential triggers altogether.

an anecdote from me: I grew up at a very shitty time in a very shitty place, in very unhealthy household (alcoholism). I don't drink; I sometimes allow myself a little in social situations. I am terrified I will become addicted. If I went to parties, I would not drink more than one glass, if any at all. I don't keep booze in my house. I freak out, if on particularly rough days I find myself thinking about a glass of wine to unwind like many people do without crossing lines. I have a predisposition to develop alcoholism. In fact, binge behaviours are very well known to me, except I binge on books, food, projects.. I try to make it somewhat beneficial, but it doesn't excuse the underlying cause. If I were to drink, I'd binge, I am sure of it. Sad problem here is, not many can externalize this. Most of the times, people born and raised in destructive households are not helped in time to realize, that this is not the way.

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@DUCHESSA addiction usually has alot to do with the way a person is raised in those first few years and even in the womb

@Blizzard I have a very short answer for my loaded question: We know the chances of becoming addicted are very high....why, then, people take the first "dosage"?

@icolan My question was a sarcastic one.

@DUCHESSA i would artificially divide them into 1) they are numb and want to feel (something, anything) 2) they are in pain and want to numb it 3) they are peer pressured and don't have enough reasoning skills to refuse and/or not enough knowledge on the subject

@DUCHESSA I see you stated that your question was sarcastic. Then OK, what should we do with babies born to addicted mothers and are addicted themselves? I see your point on "no one made you take it", but it's not always true. There are circumstances in which people reach for the substances that they in that state of mind see as the only way "out". I would compare it to suicide; often people commit suicides because they are so depressed, their minds convince them this is the only way. Being in that state can do terrible things, and that's the problem with severe depression and other mental health issues.

@markdevenish Dear, I am not talking about a baby born to an addict. OK?

@icolan 1. I am talking about those who take the first dose.
2. The reason why they take the first dose is very relevant...specially when knowing what drugs do to a brain. They don't have the strength to face life w/o toxic help.

@icolan Sure, they take the "first dose" because they are convinced they won't become addicts. They can't afford prescribed medication? The Dept. of Social Services will help...and don't tell me I am mistaken because before becoming a teacher I was a Bilingual Social Caseworker.
I won't go about telling you why addiction takes place...only that nine out of ten people become addict after the first dose.
A person has to be very short minded to think he/she can fight a substance that is prepared exactly to get people hooked.
Bye...bye.

@DUCHESSA I am really glad you are not a social worker anymore. Now my concern is about the kids you teach. Bye bye

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Addiction is just a symptom of other problems the addictis trying to relieve . I've known many they usualy hate their lives and what they have done with it . A good 30 day rehab costs about $ 10,000 and most addicts need more than 30 days .

There are a lot of Christian based rehabs that don't cost $ and some i've heard of make you work while you recover .

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[ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]
Alexander is basicly saying we've got the whole idea of addiction wrong. The most famous research about this is the "Rat Park" experiment. Add to that the distinct possibility that the "War on Drugs" is being used as a method of political manipulation. This argues that the highly stigmatised view of the addict is a construct of our society (Sherlock Holmes was written as mainlining cocaine which Watson viewed as disturbing but not outright evil)

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I've always wanted to see some PSA's on the worst addiction of all, religion.

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adictive nature

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Addiction is sometimes a symptom of another psychological issue. It is often an exit from the reality where they do not see hope for change. Yes, they chose THAT as an exit but they just need help. Why, do we say people who commit suicide should be stigmatised or do we say they just needed help? I see they are the same.

P.S. My mother commited suicide before she killed my then 6 year old sister before my eyes.

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I think any addiction can be over come.if you for 1 want to change and defeat the addiction, its all a matter after that on contacting the right people and organizations, etc

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Most people are addicted to something, cigarettes, drugs, food, candy, caffeine, sex etc etc. It's normal to have something only difference that you have several degrees and how its socially accepted.

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My ex-wife was addicted to opioids. The problem is it alter your brain chemistry on a long-term basis. The need for them is very much physical for some time after you stop. But then what it is done to your ability to produce brain chemicals such as dopamine is so damaging that they go right back to the opioids. I live with this for many years before giving up and getting divorced. Several treatments several recovery programs nothing worked. It is the availability of the opioids that is made it an epidemic

I really think addiction has a large genetic component. I have had chronic pain issues for the last 15+ years. I have a love/hate relationship with opioids. I hate the way many of them make me feel. I dislike the "high" feeling, but they give me greater mobility and better quality of life. I have started and stopped them several without issue or withdrawal. Last year the health system my PCP belongs to took the hard line of no longer scripting out opioids medications for all but a few terminal diseases. I had been been taking an effective managing dose of 100mcg of Fentanyl for the last few years. I tapered off the dose without incident. What I am able to do has diminished markedly and my quality of life as such, but I don't crave opiods. It's sad and frustrating that the opioid epidemic has put the people who do benefit from it in a bad position. I continue to seek out alternative methods to control pain, but I did that even on opioids.

@AdorkableMe I know your pain. It took me years to find a specialist who would actually treat my pain. I jumped through every hoop, did every expensive treatment and procedure they could come up with from healing crystals to surgery without luck all because I'm 27 and there's an addiction problem they are completely mishandling. The only thing that keeps me able to move is my opioids, and luckily I have a nationally recognized specialist in rare pain disorders helping me. I also have no trouble getting off them when I need to, but my mom has been addicted for many years from the same pain, so it's only a matter of time. I keep my doses low enough I don't get the high, and back them up with prescription NSAIDS, but I'm still teetering on the edge with my pain. It's BARELY dented but enough that I can survive.

The war on opioids is being done the wrong way. They're treating us, the people whose lives depend on this stuff, like we are the ones abusing it instead of the people on the street.

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I am quite harsh, I come from an addictive family. My father (gambler) and his step brother died from alcohol, his own brother from lung cancer the generation before either were killed in WW1 ir died as alcoholics. One of my brothers is a druggie and I found out years ago, that my best friend of 20 years who I was dating at the time, well distance relationship, was an ex herion addict.

I will try and help many people, only when they have made the decision to get off the stuff and usually only through my work- not in my personal life. Many people come to my work for activities to keep them busy, many have mental illness and/or drug issues. Persoanlly I think the issue is not as most assume. There will always be people more prone to addiction as well as people who want to experience everything.
The issue in that regard now is the wide choice of extremely dangerous and addictive substances. The other issue relates to our lifestyle and lack of satisfaction. If you have a great and happy life, you should be less likely to turn so substance abuse? My theory only.
We are all victimes and we are all perpetrators. Many turn to drugs as their lives suck, I know many. But if they commit crimes while influenced by drugs, they are not victims in that situation.
Society is too soft on some and too harsh on others.

There are reasons and excuses, I don't accept excuses. People can't say they turned to drugs because of being a victim of whatever, if it was a reason, then all such victims would do it. So it is only an excuse.
I take a hard line on these issues because I feel society as a whole is too soft and there is little help or incentive for these people to kick their habits.

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I agree that it's complicated, but maybe not that complicated.

In many cases people became addicted through irresponsible and unethical prescribing of legal drugs. In a lot of other cases addiction started when theuser chose to use the substance that they became addicted to. I don't believe very many of them chose to become addicts. Maybe alot of them made mistakes, but even if every one of them developed their addictions because they screwed up, they'd stilldeserve compassion and help if theyseek it

Everybody has made their own mistakes, but fortunately for most of us the consequences of our errors weren't as devastating.

Treatment should be available toanyone who wants help without judgment.

I give up on trying to correct the spacing.

JimG Level 8 Mar 3, 2018
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I view some of them as my friends.

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Honestly they piss me generally, then I remember they're someones daughter, son or father or mother

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