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Fans of serial works like series of novels, comic books, movies, TV shows, and computer games are inevitably confronted with numerous contradictions and discrepancies in many of them. So they often try to work out retroactive continuity, or retcon for short. They have three main technques:

  • Addition. Like of something that clarifies something already present.
  • Modification. Often by arguing that something or some event was not what it seemed, like the death of some monster or villain who later returns.
  • Subtraction. Removal of disliked works. The ultimate is the reboot, starting from scratch again.

The ultimate modification is the comic-book death, like of Sherlock Holmes and Mr. Spock. Creators of serial works may also create retcons, like for those two characters.

Turning to religious lore, the Abrahamic religions have been around for some 3000 years, and their theologians have invented several retcons.

The two creation stories in Genesis are often retconned by supposing the second one to be what happened when humanity was created in the first one.

The Genesis snake's pre-crawling mode of motion and Cain's wife have been the subject of various retcons.

Jesus Christ's Matthew and Luke genealogies are retconned in either of two ways: (1) Only one of them is for Joseph; the other one is for Mary. (2) Both of them contain only some of the names of Jesus Christ's ancestors back to King David.

Matthew, Mark, and Luke make Jesus Christ's Temple temper tantrum late in his career as a religious leader, while John makes that temper tantrum early in his career. These occurrences are sometimes retconned by supposing them to be two temper tantrums, one early in JC's career, and one late in it.

The details of JC's resurrection appearances have been the subject of numerous retcon attempts. In fact, those details themselves may plausibly be interpreted as separately-invented retcons, derived from Paul's mentions of JC's resurrection and Mark's original ending with an empty tomb.

Jesus mythicists often argue that Paul had known little or nothing about JC's earthly life, and Jesus historicists often rebut that with the retcon that Paul did not go into those details because he expected his audience to know them.

Islam also has some interesting retcons.

Mohammed had many predecessor prophets who were proto-Muslims, but their teachings became corrupted by their followers.

Jesus Christ did not really die on that cross, but Allah lifted him up into heaven, and gave him the appearance of having died there (a Docetic belief; Koran 4:157-8)

(Moved from G&H to R&S)

lpetrich 5 Apr 1
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judaism has been around a lot longer than 3000 years. we are currently in the year 5779. that makes judaism almost twice as old as your reckoning.

why are you calling him jesus christ? christ is itself a kind of retcon; christians retroactively translate "messiah," which means "anointed one" (referring to the fact that human kings of judea were anointed with oil as part of their coronation, as it were) as "savior" (which is what christ means) even though there is no such concept in judaism (ostensibly the religion of the person whose name could not possibly have been jesus, he not being greek). isaiah refers to a young woman; later translators conveniently retranslate that as "virgin," which is a different word in hebrew but shhh we're retconning, don't point out such things!

recon isn't necessarily a bad thing in series fiction. it can be annoying or fun depending on your mindset (and the particular fandom). there are no real-life consequences. i suspect for most people who claim affiliation with a religion but are not especially religious there are few or no real-life consequences to their ret-con. for the victims of those who use religion to influence politics (or shoot up public places) there are, alas, real-life consequences.

g

p.s. i will note here, without saying anything further about what this phenomenon means, that matt, markie, lukie and johnny were not the only folks who contributed to what later became, and rebecame, and rerererererebecame, the christian bible. a whole lot of authors got kicked to the curb. later it was found out that even the aforementioned four books were forgeries. at least with trek we have videos to which to refer!

There is zero external evidence of Judaism being nearly 6000 years old. In fact, there is some counterevidence. The oldest reference to the Israelite ethnicity is in the Merneptah Stele, composed around 1200 BCE. Egypt had ruled Canaan for about 300 years before that, with nobody making any references to the Israelite ethnicity.

Not long after Merneptah is a period of great disorder and strife in the eastern Mediterranean. The Mycenaean Greek palaces were destroyed, as was the Hittite Empire. The Levant had a lot of destruction, and Egypt's leaders bragged about their triumph over the Sea Peoples -- in the Nile Delta. A rather Baghdad-Bob sort of triumph, since their Levantine empire was now gone.

Starting around 1000 BCE (Iron Age I), the people in the Israelite highlands stopped eating pork. There are much fewer pig bones there than in the Philistine areas, in the coastal valleys. So that's why I dated Judaism at 3000 years. A later landmark might be Hilkiah's claimed discovery of the "book of the law" in the Jerusalem Temple around 622 BCE. Another landmark might be Persian king Cyrus's decreeing the end of the Babylonian Exile in 538 BCE.

Yes, I know about that mistranslation part. Also it seems like Isaiah was referring to some event around his time, not far in the future.

As to Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, we don't know who the real authors are of the documents that are attributed to them. Those authors did not identify themselves, though the author of Luke brags about all the work that he had done in his writing.

As to false claims of authorship, Revelation 22:18-19 is telling. It essentially says "Don't rewrite this book -- or else!!!"

@lpetrich lol i will take your word for it re revelations. i've never been christian and have only glimpsed randomly into the christian bible, usually when someone quotes it -- to see if they've got it remotely right. turns out there are so many translations it's really hard to tell.

yeah, the christian interpretation of isaiah is WAY off base, no matter what one considers the bible to be. as it happens,i think it's a multi-authored (and too many cooks definitely spoil the narrative) mish-mash of an attempt at genealogy, since no one just telling a wild story would throw in a boring bunch of begats, a little glorified royal history, and a whole lotta out-and-out fantasy, and one need look no farther than the talking snake (if indeed one is already inclined to overlook the first fantastical character, the purported star of the show).

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@lpetrich i have not heard any of that before. nonetheless, someone started counting and they're up to 5779. i will reserve judgment at this point.

g

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Greta Christina has a related article: Greta Christina's Blog: Why Religion Is Like Fanfic [gretachristina.typepad.com]

Back in the Middle Ages, theologians discussed such big issues as how God made Mary pregnant with Jesus Christ, and how Jesus Christ was born. Did the Holy Spirit do it through her ear? Did JC teleport out rather than depart through Mary's ladybits?

GC continued with how it was like Star Trek fans working out the floorplans of the USS Enterprise, like Harry Potter fans discussing how alcoholic butterbeer is, and like Buffy fans discussing vampires' power levels and how vampirism might get passed on.

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Ummmm, FICTION? Suspension of disbelief so you can enjoy the construct? Not wasting your life trying to make it "real"? How's about a nice hobby, like knitting hats for newborns, that would actually make a difference?
I see no future, nor good outcomes, pretending crap is real, be it the babble or any other fiction.......

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This is a very interesting observation!

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As a mythicist I am particularly amused by the retconning of Paul as you point out. It isn't just the assertion that Paul assumed the Jesus mythos to be common knowledge; it's that he would have had every motivation to leverage it to highlight his own knowledge of Jesus' life and teachings and to validate his take on them. Instead, he makes the weakest possible claim: not that he knew Jesus or that his account of Jesus aligned with then-living eyewitnesses, but that god told him in vision. That's a claim I could make if I wanted to invent a religion.

Combine that with Paul's description of Jesus as "seated in the heavenlies", as "appearing to us" rather than walking among us, and it's easy to suspect Paul of being the author of (or at least an early proponent of) gnosticism. And it would explain his contentious relationship with the Council as a power struggle rather than just a theological argument about who got to join the club and what rules they had to follow. It's just how a splitter personality would give us his account of that conflict -- he depicts himself as courageously telling Peter off to his face for being small and lacking vision, when the reality was probably more that he was cast out of that body for heresy and divisive behavior.

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What a mess. And they are not even serial works written by authors who knew one another and worked as a team, the bible is just a scrap book of press cuttings (Mostly gutter press.) from the late Bronze early Iron ages.

Yes, a big mishmash, and not just from book book. The contents of individual books are sometimes very stylistically jumpy. Like alternating between genealogies and anecdotes. It seems me that the contents represented respected traditions, however incoherent their assemblage was.

@lpetrich Some people try to give the bible extra ceredibility by saying that the original was written in very good, Greek/Hebrew. But in those days nearly everyone employed professional scribes to do their writing for them, who, while not educated in the modern sense, were very adept at their job no doubt, and given that what comes down to us probably passed through dozens of such hands before the earliest copies we have, it is likely that at least one in the chain would be a very good stylist. That does not mean therefore that the originals were not written by primitive barely literate goatherds.

@Fernapple Indeed; I suspect the gospels benefitted from particularly good scribes hired by some entity like the Jerusalem Council in a conscious effort to establish their orthodoxy over against that of the gnostics. If Jesus was a real person they may not have originally paid to have them written, but they would have likely paid to have them polished and tweaked. If, as I suspect, Jesus was not a real person, they may even have commissioned at least Mark, and maybe some faction later paid to put together John to put a somewhat different spin on things.

I think it's a little too convenient to disparage most NT writings as the fevered scribbling of goatherds. Paul and Luke (or whoever used those names as avatars) appeared to be more educated than that, and were products of the Hellenistic culture that was a notch or two up from earlier civilizations. It's just that they were riffing on Judaism, which was more properly the product of Bronze age goatherds.

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