The Dems pushed her? Maybe you don’t know how the system works? Hillary beat Bernie and everyone else in the primaries and won the nomination. She then went on to beat Trump in the general election by 3M votes, but in our fucked up system Trump became president. So vote for whoever you like, but if Trump is re-elected as is starting to seem very likely it’ll be because of people who won’t get behind the leading candidate.

@jerry99 The Dems absolutely pushed her. Everything we've heard and seen from the fallout since, up to and including her leaked emails have confirmed this.

She was a bad choice. That doesn't mean she didn't win the popular vote, doesn't mean she didn't win the nomination or anything else. However, she was pushed on us. Trump won in part because of voter apathy. Voter turnout plummeted among minorities (and non-minority dems) while people on the fence flipped to red.

Bernie wins that election. Hell, Obama wins that election. Trump was an attractive candidate to his base, Hill-Dog wasn't.

#FAX

@Xuande Think what you like. She won the primaries. She won the election. She was the most qualified candidate by any reasonable measure. Bernie wasn’t even a Dem until he decided to run for Pres, so I don’t think the Dem party owed him a damn thing. And he wasn’t a Dem again until last month when he needed the party. The Repubs went after Hillary for over 20 years and eventually people started believing their BS. People hated her and accused her of every imaginable sin, all of which paled into insignificance compared to a Trump. Makes no sense to me, but you go right ahead and badmouth the moderate candidate and take whatever satisfaction you can when they lose to the worst person in American history.

@jerry99 I'm not disagreeing with anything you're saying. She did those things, she may have been the most qualified candidate, Bernie wasn't a dem, etc etc.

None of that changes the fact that she wasn't a good candidate, and she was pushed by the Dems, resulting in their failure to win the 2016 election. She was absolutely hurt in part by a propaganda campaign against her, but she was already a polarizing figure on the left well before then. She wasn't the candidate that was going to win in places like the rust belt, and she never was. She wasn't exciting, she wasn't bringing anything new to the table. She felt like an establishment candidate, and got beat.

I will (most likely) vote for whoever emerges from the slew of Dems to win the nomination, but if it's another Hillary (like Elizabeth Warren or, as much as I love him, Uncle Joe), then they'll lose again.