Examples of what.?. I am just repeating what a former chief of counterterrorism said

@Moravian "We constantly poke fun at Christians and Christianity on this site in a manner that if applied to Islam or Judaism would be considered Islamophobic and Antisemetic.Seems a bit unfair."

@hippydog That was said "a bit tongue in cheek", but seriously if we were to attack Islam and Judaism the way we do Christianity we would be accused of Islamophobia and antisemitism

@Moravian to be fair though, neither of them proselytize. Fake Xtians deserve it imo

@bbyrd009 maybe not openly but they do get a few converts from the disaffected in the inner cities and in prisons. A few of the high profile members of ISIS were coverts to Islam.

@Moravian I'm still on the fence as to whether IS is an arm of US or not? And you are referring to more like Political Islam, yes? The violent ones? Not really Muslims, imo, if they can't get past the Opening of Sur'ahs without gravely offending.

@bbyrd009 Well they call themselves Muslims and they follow a very strict version of Sharia law. Of course peace loving Muslims will rightly denounce them I heard a Muslim Scholar saying there are many interpretations of the Quran that are equally valid so who do you believe

@Moravian Well, i might agree that many interpretations of many passages are possible, but that does not address ignoring the Opening of Sur'ahs imo; paraphrased, "undertaking violence in any form in the name of Islam is forbidden." So imo the violent ones are like our Fake Christians i think

@bbyrd009 probably like Christians who cherry pick passages in the bible they ignore parts they don't like. They want to emulate the prophet who was the perfect man and he instigated the conquest of much of Europe and North Africa so he was hardly forgoing violence.

@Moravian hmm, you think :"Jesus" instigated those? Why for? Got a link? ty

@bbyrd009 No I don't think that. Jesus is a "prophet" in the Koran although not divine as most Christians think. Mohamed and his followers started the conquest of Europe and North Africa

@Moravian oh duh. But i guess i am still behind, my understanding was that Muhammad did not condone violence, except when the whole clan/bloodline was threatened with extinction? Did He actually support those Crusades? ty
As to Jesus, believe it or not "John Doe from Nowhere" is right there in plain code i think. Jesus = Joshua, the most common male name then, and Nazareth was curiously uninhabited in the first century, although it was peopled in the centuries before and after? At least according to...ppl more reputable than me lol. A rabbi was known by their "school" i guess, hence "Paul of Tarsus" etc, Tarsus being a rather famous Rabbinical School. So anyway, "Jesus of Nazareth" equates to "John Doe from out of Nowhere" in the then current lexicon, at least according to some. I would have put it "John Doe from Nowhere" but the quotes are searchable for more.

@bbyrd009 Yes there is some debate as to whether Nazareth was populated during the time that Jesus was supposed to have lived. Joshua was the mythical leader of the Jews after the mythical Moses died at some amazingly old age so the name was commonly used and as the Jews were desperate for another saviour ( many orthodox Jews are still waiting on him) that is probably why this "saviour" was given that name.

I belive the early Mohammad did preach peace and tolerance but when he was chased out of Mecca and settled in medina things seemed to change.

I read of story of his life some time ago and it portrayed a sort of tribal warlord who's followers were anything but peaceful and behaved just like other tribes in the area.

The crusades were long after his time.

And the Bible agrees, fwiw to you
"Real religion is taking care of widows and orphans."
it isn't too hard to see the OT as the record of the failure of a "religion, imo.
Anyway if there is a God, I'm sure She detests religion as much as most anyone

There certainly are Jewish people who are critical of the Irsaeli Govts treatment of Palestinians so could they be accused of Antisemitism ?. Interesting point.

@Moravian ha, never thought of that lol

Not my words. "Islamophobia is rooted in racism and is a type of racism that targets expressions of Muslimness or perceived Muslimness.”

The words of the UK Govt.

@Moravian how is this new/ and how is this bad or inaccurate?

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@genessa I think the police and security forces see it as an impediment to them keeping tabs on potential terrorists.
They are already accused of victimisation of Muslims with stop and search powers and if the meaning of Islamophobia is broadened it would make their job more difficult for example asking Muslim woman to remove face veils would be considered an attack on "Muslimness"

Personally I cannot see how Islamaphobia can be called racism as any race can be a Muslim.

@Moravian since there is no such thing as race except as a social construct anyway, your objection to islamaphobia's being called racism is just a bit literalistic. and i do not know on what basis you see the police and security forces being impeded by what you perceive (but have not explained) as a broadening of the meaning of islamaphobia. the definition seemed simple and succinct to me. which part of it is inaccurate? i asked that before and have had no answer yet.

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@genessa [thesun.co.uk]

I keep telling you I am just reporting what has been said. Here is another link;

No such thing as race?. Sure we are all Jock Tamsons bairns but we have to live in the real world.

@Moravian except as a social construct, correct, no such thing as race. there are communities and families. read ashley montagu.

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@genessa Maybe in some utopian idyll but as I said we have to live in the real world

[citizensadvice.org.uk]

I would love to see racism deposited in the dustbin of history but we are a long way from that. I have a T shirt with the slogan "we are all Africans" which I wear to annoy anyone who thinks they are racially superior

@Moravian in the real world, the world of science, there is no such physical thing as race. i misspoke, though. not community. populations. populations and families. that is the real world.

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Unfortunately No and the fact that if you annoy Islam they may declare a fatwa would stop me being too outspoken

I totally agree with you but the laws are constantly being altered and it is an offence now to even criticise the fascist Govt of Israel and judging by the article we will be pussyfooting around making negative comments about Islam.

@Moravian Good that I live here then. I don't give a flying rat's ass what stupid laws get passed to curtail free speech, anywhere.
I realize that if I lived anywhere else, I could end up imprisoned or dead.
Although, at the rate things are going here, that's still a possibility.
No one is going to shut me up, unless they kill me.

seems to me that these three things are not even remotely the same thing, islamophopia and christophobia would be the fear of islam and christianity,
antisemitism is the hatred of jews
to say that criticizing the government of Israel is equal to hating Jewish people is patently ridiculous
i do not hate anyone, I have some good friends who are of Jewish Heritage, most are not actually practicing the religious aspect of Judaism but they identify as Jewish, I love them dearly
the Israeli Government is an entirely Evil organization that routinely murders the innocent and is worthy of any derision sent its way, I will not stop criticizing the Israeli government, until that government ceases its haynis acts of cruelty and barbarism toward Palestine and other surrounding countries, and you will never convince me that this is a hate crime.

@TiernanMcCann Semantics.

@Moravian The government of Israel is not fascist. They are right-wing looney tunes, but the people of Israel keep voting them in because they have abandoned, after years of trying, the "peace process" and have decided to confront their fascist enemies head on. Maybe they'll give ",peace" another go some day, but it will be a while. This has less to do with religion for them and more to do with survival.

@KKGator ,
i admire your spunk.

@Storm1752 The non-Israelis would probably argue that the government is "fascist".

@callmedubious Don't know that it's "spunk". More like abject defiance. LOL
I freakin' reject the status quo.

The "Book?" Spare me.

LIke a lot of newspapers they want your money. This is the statement from the govt

"Islamophobia is rooted in racism and is a type of racism that targets expressions of Muslimness or perceived Muslimness.”
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@Moravian That’s so stupid. Islam is an idea, not a race.