I think you're applying your judgement based on the understanding of what humanity had experienced so far and not by the potential that is based on existing evidence .. you can't cast such a judgement and generalize it from this point of view..

@Neenz why do you think humans will suddenly evolve or change?

@Burner thanks for asking me a real question i really appreciate it. respectfully.. here is my
Our emotional intelligence hase evolved significantly over the past 100 years
Since humans rights awarenes last century and technology advancement this century, we have grown exponentially .. we are at a very critical point in our development that will soon hit the threshold that could determine whether we're doomed to extinction or wake the fuck up and find a real solution to save our species from extinction.
The afte so many science literature and humans experimentation of breaking out the controlling institutions that holding our advancement up..
I recommend learn about the venus project and the zeitgeist movement.
There is more ti know than can be summarized here.. but this is a start.

@Neenz I think it'd be useful if we had terminology for how much people believed/ wanted to participate in religion.... The gathering of like minded individuals to share rituals related to a common world view/ belief system. It seems like most religions now are theistic (example xtianity, hinduism), but not all (example some sects of Buddhism). To me, this Venus idea seems very religious, and to me thats a turn off. I realize there are people on this site who are atheists but religious, perhaps like yourself?

@Burner lol you're extremely funny.. thanks glit your input

Check the the venus project..

@Neenz now that's interesting.

You really think that money is the source of our development

@Neenz money allows for increased specializations which is critical for our development and diversity. It's not the source but a critical component of it.

@1of5 money is a fallacy we invented and valued in a similar manner to that of religion and God

@Neenz money is the ability to get someone to do something for you they normally wouldn't. Money is the ability to create art, music, literature, discover the wonders of the universe, cure diseases, educate others, and so much more. The reason money allows us to do all those things is because no one person has to do everything just to survive.

Humans were on the barter system for a long, long, long time and life was generally miserable.

@1of5 i can use the same arguments to glorify religion that doesn't make it valid

@Neenz religion spontaneously exists all over the world... Its very valid... Its shaped societies, caused huge numbers of deaths,, given rise to new ways of thinking and learning... It may not be logical, but humanity is what it is

@Neenz uhm, no, you can't. You can for a few of those, but not all of them.

Money is a concept, like religion. Both have uses, good and bad. One we can do without and thrive, the other we can do without and stagnate. That's the differance.

@1of5 so yout think which doesn't mean it's valid. You're undet the same influence of money as those of their religions

@Burner because we're still evolving.. not quite there yet.. eventually we will

@Neenz oh yeah, now I'm not "woke" because I don't agree with you. Way to defend your assertation.

@1of5 lol that's not what i said.. also i don't care about the winne crap.. also im talking with logically and objectively.. you can argue the premise of your statement. As i can argue mine.. agreed or don't had nothing to do with it im not a child

@Neenz you've done nothing to support your position, except to claim I'm wrong because I'm under the influence of money. That's very childish behavior, btw.

So whatever, I'm done here, unless you actually attempt to show me why I'm wrong.

@1of5 i told you where you're wrong. You didn't ask me for anyt evidence or information you just decided the statement is wrong

@Neenz wow, you really know how to back up a position.

Whatever.