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Who is planning to watch the Dem primary debates next week? A friend of mine is planning to attend watch parties for it, but I am just going to watch them at home later after recording them. I expect it's going to be pretty depressing and disgusting watching all but a few of them. Especially Biden and the other corporate Dems. Should be more interesting by the fall when most of them have dropped out and it's down to Bernie, Biden, Warren, and a couple others. That's what I'm guessing will happen.

TomMcGiverin 8 June 22
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Watching the first debate right now. I can't remember the name of the country in The Hunger Games, but we are clearly living in that type of society. The debate looks like the same kind of fucking game show that everything in that movie was as far as politics and government.

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Going to go to a few watch parties by democrats I work with should be interesting and there will be alcohol YES 👍and women could be fun

bobwjr Level 10 June 23, 2019

Sounds worthwhile. I hope you meet someone to date there.

@TomMcGiverin unlikely but good for a few laughs

@altschmerz yeah fun group

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I notice you are from Iowa....you must have lots of candidates visiting in your area

Yes, but I usually ignore the clown circus...

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Oh, I'll be watching alright.

With popcorn.

Athena Level 8 June 22, 2019

As a Canadian, you are unable to participate in the process, but, out of curiosity, who would you support?

@TomMcGiverin

I've made it no secret here that I want Bernie to win and expect he will.

@Athena I want him to also, but I volunteered for him last time and I won't do that again during the primary and watch him get screwed again by the party. It would break my heart to go thru all that again. I will support him during the Iowa caucus, but that's it this time unless he gets the nomination. If by some miracle he does, I will volunteer for him in the general election. But I really doubt the Dem leaders and establishment will let him win the nomination.

@TomMcGiverin

Good to hear you're a fan and I'm sorry that was so tough at the time. Those of us North of your border were appalled as we watched it all go down.. Many of us loathing Hillary even more after he lost the nomination.
If Bernie doesn't get it this time, I fear they will have just handed Trump a second term.
Elizabeth Warren will lose favour when she crumbles against Trump's mud slinging and also acquiesces to establishment pressure to move centre.
Bernie is consistent and fearless. He won't defend himself against "crazy Bernie" name calling. He'll stick to his policies and hold Trump's feet to the fire.

@Athena I knew and told people after Bernie got screwed that Hillary would lose to Trump but nobody wanted to hear it or believe me. This time, I still believe the same thing, that any corporate Dem will lose to Trump. And I honestly believe that the Dem establishment and leaders would rather lose to Trump than nominate a real progressive. I really do not trust Warren as she gets more corporate and centrist every day. If she were really an honest, genuine progressive, she would have endorsed Bernie last time instead of Hillary, but instead she was more interested in preserving her own political future ambitions. So now she is serving the interests of the party leaders by splitting the votes of progressives with Bernie and drawing away women voters from him, just like last time, who are so obsessed with having a female prez regardless of how corrupt, centrist, etc. It worked last time against Bernie, and I really think she is sort of a stalking horse this time to stop Bernie. I am hoping that Biden shows his age and cluelessness fairly quickly in the debates and fades away once he loses his support that is solely based on name recognition.

As far as Warren and the other Dem candidates who talk progressive, but don't have a record to back it up, I don't trust them at all because it's obvious they are just saying what they think they have to say, with the exception of Biden, to get the support of Bernie's type of voter. Hillary did the same thing last time and was lying thru her teeth. So I trust no one if they weren't already walking the walk long ago, like Bernie, instead of adopting the progressive talk in the last couple years just to compete with Bernie and mimic AOC.

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@HowieHawkins20 is out to break the political backs of both polluter parties with the skill of someone able to actually be an honest President vetoing all corporations welfare

I saw your emoji, Larry. Who are you pissed off at, me?

@TomMcGiverin luv u Tom....all the dems are stealing plagiarizing telling their own lies for a GREEN NEW DEAL we Greens have been champions 9 years now our GREEN NEW DEAL of 2010 based upon Amory Lovins Rocky Mountain Institute PROJECTIONS expertly calculated THEN Biiden was the last to spin his plagiarism out and hypocritical dems all claimed he was plagiarizing 2 lobby groups....fake news won't tell the truth of GREEN PARTY and fake Democrat platforms are easy targets

@GreenAtheist So, you're pissed at all the Dem candidates? Please specify who you're mad at Larry.

@TomMcGiverin all of them are corporations tools undeserving of high office... Have you seen Tulsi one word billboard in Des Moines ? Complete waste of taxpayer dollars 2020

@TomMcGiverin even Marianne Williamson makes her money blowing air up corporations skirts and suits

@GreenAtheist I have seen one of hers near Iowa City and another outside Des Moines in a farm area.

@TomMcGiverin GREEDY murderous polluters are the problem and no Democrat has lifted a finger to fight them @HowieHawkins20 has fought 40 years and won @Clamshell after being arrested 5 times leading thousands to be arrested at least once each

@TomMcGiverin TULSI 2020 says nothing to boost pacifists and medical reefer voters who she is running for

@GreenAtheist I voted for Jill Stein last time in the general election and I will vote Green again this time in the general if the Dems nominate another corporate candidate. I don't play that lesser evil crap...

@TomMcGiverin luv ya ....most people forgot McGovern ran again '92 Clinton totally skipped Iowa and rope a doped Tsongas who had cancer....Ross Perot paid for the REFORM PARTY just to derail the Bush Crime Family....corporations have bribed the fake news to censor all truth telling candidates

@GreenAtheist I don't think it's so much that other corporations bribe the corporate news media to censor or ignore progressive or truthful candidates, it's just that both groups have shared interests and a shared agenda of maintaining the status quo of the system by keeping power between the two corrupt major parties. So the media supports the corporations in everything they do instead of workers and the interests of the masses.

@TomMcGiverin I would call the PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE COMMISSION a corporation bribery system and colleges bribe into it also to be a host site....AmWay CocaCola and others put millions into the budget every 4 years and invented the bullshit 5% rule....when Nader QUALIFIED with 8% the gangsters just changed the rule again....when Nader had a legally purchased front row seat at a debate they simply arrested him for trespassing....these corporations will do any crime to prevent truth telling to a large audience

@TomMcGiverin colleges also team up with media to run push polls that fake the 5% hurdle....in SC ALVIN GREEN a nobody spent his whole veterans college bonus to get on the US SENATE ballot and won the primary over Judge Rawl.....Winthrop University liar Professor invented a push poll ADDING GREEN PARTY TOM CLEMENTS TO TAKE AWAY DEMOCRAT Alvin expected vote versus incumbent Jim deMENTED the Governor Race Winthrop University refused to poll for Dr Reeves Green Party in the most blatant bias push poll tactics...this ensured Nimrata Haley her 1st Governor win after just 4 years in local posts

@GreenAtheist I remember that about Nader. It just went to show how scared the major parties were of him getting anywhere near the debate for fear he might interrupt it and start pointing out the truth. I think that Jill Stein was not allowed anywhere near the debates between Hillary and Trump.

@TomMcGiverin Dr Jill was arrested on the side walk 200 yards from the college debate site and dragged to a chair and shackled to it 3 years ago....this makes AmuriKKKa a fascist corporations plantation just like MussOLINI Italy

@TomMcGiverin no warning with a ticket in her hand to be seated in the audience....makes them all culpable war criminal enablers preventing peace through green jobs www.jill2016.com

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