Mad at god or don't believe? My experience here tells me that some are just mad at god and others don't believe. Which are you?
Fishing for 8?
Nope, but that's the way the site is set up. Love when people read their own problems/views into a post or tell me it's b.s. but haven't read the comments, for instance in this case, where people admit to being mad at god.
p.s. 300 points total from the post, think that helped me towards 50,000?
Hard to be mad at something that doesnβt exist
Yes!
God never makes the claim of existence according to our definition, not anywhere. Swing anna miss, sweetie.
@bbyrd009 which god βsweetie?β
Regardless, how can a nonexistent thing make a claim? My unicorn claims existence, prove me wrong!
@Marcie1974 Except for the people who, as one comment suggested, were/are mad at god and then "abandoned god." That to me is different than not believing god exists--hence the reason for the poll.
@Marcie1974 oh, my apologies, i'm from the deep south, bad habit with the sweetie thing i guess. God makes no claims of "existence: having objective reality or being" anywhere, that i am aware of? Allah doesnt, and YHWH doesnt, and Krishna doesnt?
The existence or non- existence of a god/gods is irrelevant to me. The disregard for separation of church and state in government are topics relevant.
When I was, angry, it was in the direction of myself for being gullibile enough to be taken in by the nonsense.
In my case, anger at "god" led me to the realization there is no God, and the anger went away.
thanks for your comment, maybe you can explain to the people who are incredulous here that such a belief could exist.
@lerlo All kinds of beliefs exist that are believed without any evidence to support those beliefs, it's called faith.
βWe either base our 'confidence' on reason (evident probabilities, past experience, competence, etc) or we base our beliefs on faith, which is blind by definition. Faith is the most dishonest position it is possible to have, because it is an assertion of stoic conviction that is assumed without reason and defended against all reason. If you have to believe it on faith, you have no reason to believe it at all.ββ AronRa
Neither of the above was my answer and here is why: I was raised in a home that believed in God and went to church. At a young age I became confused as to whether god was loving and kind or jealous and vengeful. I was never mad when I saw bad things happen I was just confused. I decided that since my family and community was Christian I needed to explore other belief systems, which I did as an adult: Judaisim, Kaballah, Islam, Buddhism, Wicca, other Druidic beliefs, and astrology. I came to my own understanding that bad or unpleasant, or sad things happen to people because that is life, maybe even just the luck of the day. It has nothing to do with god or gods or spirits or angels or any other magical or spiritual beliefs. There is no reason for me to not believe in god because he screwed me over and I am just reacting like a kid who got a spanking and sent to bed and now I hate everyone - that is such a waste of time and energy. I came to my decision in a thought provoking manner rather than a knee jerk reaction.
Cannot be mad at something that is not real.
I don't believe in an invisible being that resides somewhere beyond the clouds.
At age 13, I became an atheist when I realized the Bible is just a book of stories written by men. Was never a believer.
I chose rational thought, not magical beliefs.
Michigan had a hard winter when I was 13. My 10-year-old brother and I read the World Book Encyclopedias. I was inspired by rational philosophers Spinoza and Descartes who bravely defied the church. They were anti-theist (anti-gods) and anti-clergy in the 1600s when heretics were burned at the stake.
How can I be mad at something that doesn't exist
I think you are a bit confused. There are some people who used to believe in a god, but came to the realization that there was no real evidence for one, based on what they had expected that particular god to be like. They stop believing because of the apparent lack of evidence, not because they were angry at some god. Maybe some were angry for having been duped in the first place.
I never really had any belief and I get really tired of people telling me that I must be angry at some thing that I don't even believe in.
I'm not confused at all and if you read the comments from the people who say they are mad at god, it is possible. I'm not accusing you of being mad at anything, it's just a choice. Some people decided god didn't exist one way, some people never stop believing but are just mad. Some were mad and then stopped believing. Happy for you to show me where I told you you were mad at god
@lerlo I get the feeling that you are looking for an argument. Lighten up, learn to laugh. Just a suggestion.
@itsmedammit which part of me being confused wasn't an argument?
I'm mad at god the same way in mad at Hannibal lector. I hate him as a character, the way he is made into someone admirable despite his atrocities. People cheer both of them like they're heros and it really bothers me why.
Your assessment appears incorrect.
As does your spelling As one comment probably correctly concluded, people might not admit being angry with god. Some of the comments get pretty angry over a pretty innocuous post. Why would someone who is not angry with god get upset about the suggestion that some people are angry with god unless I hit a nerve? A couple people had no problem admitting that they were once angry with god.
@lerlo read this.
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If someone is "mad at god", they would have to be a believer. Most of the comments I've read on this sight are from non believers.
Mad at this stupid question being asked over and over. Not mad at Santa . Not mad at pixies β. Not mad at Leprechauns. Not mad at whichever βgodβ you think in your mind exists.
How am I going to be mad at something I don't believe in? Mad at "god"?? That's like being angry at Santa Claus.
Angry at religion, however? Of course I am. Religion has been invested in the repression of women for centuries. I'm not down with that $hit.
I take from your comment that God and religion are separate
@Ruby_Slipper Wow --new concept to you that religion and god may be inseparable? Ok genius walk me through how my comment makes me a religious believer--I can't wait
@lerlo I refuse to interact with trolls. Crawl back under the bridge you came from.
@Ruby_Slipper apparently you have nothing else to do and I will continue to defend my right to post as I feel necessary and deal with the less competent as they come my way. The only people who cry "troll" here are the people with no arguments to the contrary and who think that such a cry will get them noticed. You've succeeded in being noticed as someone without a clue or who is mad at god and is afraid to admit it. I'll be here as long as you will unless admin decides to admonish you for your personal attacks.
Iβm a bit of both really. Hating God to me is like hating a fictional character. Only difference is that I wasted much of my young life with god and he turned out to be my biggest mistake.
It is not possible to be mad at someone you don't believe exists.
It IS possible to be disappointed with the fact that he doesn't exist, at least until you come to understand that god is not a solution to anything to begin with -- AND the source of a lot of problems in the world.
It IS possible to be angry at religion for selling you a bill of goods and not delivering, but most of us do get over it with time.
I really don't understand the need for believers to project anger onto atheists though. Or hopelessness or nihilistic depression, or any of the other awful things we caricatured with. We're people, just like any others; sometimes we are unhappy or upset with life, just like anyone is. If you gaslight and proselytize us, of course we might not react well to that. Just common sense.
i hear this "existence" argument a lot, and fwiw YHWH never claims to "exist" anywhere, according to our definition. Religion is roundly and repeatedly condemned in the Bible, and if you were so stupid as to go into religion for a perspective of God wadr that is strictly on you. The OT is a record of the failure of religion, yeh?
@bbyrd009 "I AM that I am; tell them I AM has sent you" (God to Moses, supposedly). Sounds like a pretty strong existence claim right there.
So you're going the tired route of claiming there's a difference between faith / belief and religion. The "religion of one, so its not really religion" routine. Or maybe it's the "religion vs relationship" route. Or the "man reaching up to god vs god reaching down to man" route.
It all gets codified into tribal dogmas (religion) in the end. Whether it's the Holy Roman Church or Bedside Baptist or just little old you telling people what's true and what's false, it's all the same.
@mordant "Sounds like a pretty strong existence claim right there." at first, yes, but if you read the whole passage and then read our common def of "exist: have objective reality or being," another truth begins to become evident imo. The AM part is almost universally read as like a title, which anywhere else Am would be sufficient for that, and almost never read as EMPHATIC, and so the rest of the passage is discounted and misunderstood. So, and i know this is strange ok, but i believe in God, or Allah, or Krishna, doesnt matter imo as these are strictly concepts, but i do not believe God "exists," nor were the authors nor "God" trying to forward that pov?
The arg being that as soon as one insists upon God's "existence," like "believers" do, one will also manufacture the essences of Existence onto God, Old White Guy in a White Robe and a Big Beard, etc. An interesting corrollary here is that you will never find a "believer" who actually has any "belief" whatsoever in God's existence! They all hold that to be an Absolute Truth, and it cannot even be debated?" At least until they read that passage and some of Job with me, wherein we almost always get to see who Satan really is too
@mordant "So you're going the tired route of claiming there's a difference between faith / belief and religion." Samaritans were considered evil and not accepted then, but we are told to "go and do likewise." And there is no judgement for beliefs in the Bible, as most believers tacitly demand? Who also conflate faith and beliefs right away, in their efforts to attain heaven after they have died. Yet no one has ever gone up to heaven, and there is only One Immortal, which no believer will appreciate you Quoting either. You and your sons will be here with me is the assurance to believers (who will not accept it) that all go to the same place.
We mostly proceed from the pov of the Bible that believers have disseminated, see, and we do not ever hear these parts of the Bible, but when the OT is realized as a record of the failure of a religion, and John Baptist and Jesus of Nazareth ("John Doe from out of Nowhere," searchable btw) as two guys sticking two big Middle Fingers straight up in the air at The Man, then wisdom is no longer hidden from the wise. These were not religious or even pious ppl, these were rebels on the run from the law? And religious ppl are "the wise" as far as the Bible is concerned (idiots, iow) he who says he knows does not yet know
@mordant "It all gets codified into tribal dogmas (religion) in the end. Whether it's the Holy Roman Church or Bedside Baptist or just little old you telling people what's true and what's false, it's all the same." well, it does if you do that, yes. But now see what you have said becomes the reasoning for why the truth must be hidden: nations of ppl grow to a point where they demand a king, ppl want to be led, "sheep" iow, and so if one wants to "believe" that they might say some Magic Words in a mortgaged building they call "church" to a guy who has made a deal with the king (501, 6, c3, 6, 1023, 6) and then they will go up to heaven after they have died (mithraism), they can certainly do that, but they will be made to be hypocrites by their own Manual, see. Leave the camp, come out of her, my people, scapegoat, it's all in There ok, just in code. "Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power." see, just what you want too right, if you focus on the end, practical part and ignore the big, flowery, meaningless part at the beginning?
Iow you are exactly correct, most ppl will do what you say, and you now have a means for IDing those types and being advised accordingly? Bc trust me the authors of the Bible consider them idiots. Anarchy is not Chaos.