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The one thing I still have issues with is the fundamental idea of property. I grant that a man owns the product of his own labor as it is the the result of his work adding value to the transformation of materials into a consumable object. However, for the ownership of land or other items that do not have a worth rooted in labor, how is ownership ever established in the first place? Isn't it established simply by force - i.e. the strong extorting exerting their dominance over the week by claiming their "right to the land"? When did planet Earth decide that this piece of land belonged to this Chieftain?
All the original rights of property are based upon exploitation. And this paradigm has continued to the present day. We expect the rich to get richer and the poor to get poorer because it's all predicated upon theft and force.

towkneed 7 Aug 3
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(sparked by a previous comment) I’d instantly thought of our Native American ‘Indians,’ too, and am reading The Journals of Lewis & Clark. They passed through tribal lands where no one had seen or had contact with our eastern colonies/ states. It seems every tribe was in conflict, with fluid borders, shifting after every battle. Two ‘old chiefs’ (just) left the party, as they’d learned the next tribe they’d encounter planned to kill them..

More recently there was Hitler looking to obtain “Lebensraum” ..or ‘land to expand.’ It’s not only a human need, I watch it every spring with Robins or Mocking Birds, each procuring territory in which to feed and raise their young. Apparently it’s natural, with we humans attaching a price..

Varn Level 8 Aug 3, 2019
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yes its true. unfortantely through taxes a citizen can never outright own land. its always owned by the government. if they need to put a freeway through they make you sell it back to them at their price. but is life fair anywhere? probably all other species on earth must have conflict to secure their own square inch. eat or be eaten. we are not truly civilized

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So, you leave your keys in your car & a sign saying "help yourself" on it?

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Yes, property. You buy something and once it is paid for you continue to pay for it for the rest of your life, only you don't pay as much as you used to pay before it was paid for.

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Property is theft

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It has always been a case of the strongest taking what they wanted from the weaker and using it to build themselves fortunes and fortresses.

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I agree. In Scotland , much of the less productive land is divided into sporting estates which are bought and sold as a commodity. As no more land is being made the prices keep increasing and many are now owned by wealthy foreigners and are used as their personal kingdom. Fortunately we have freedom of access over all open land in the country and freedom to wild camp, although this is abused by some who leave a mess behind them.
I think the native Americans had the right approach. They did not own the land. I am currently reading a book about the colonisation of the West by European settlers as seen from the "Indians" perspective entitled "Bury my heart at Wounded Knee" A fascinating story but very repetitive..Settlers make treaty with Indians,Settlers break treaty, battles ensue and on and on until the native tribes are decimated and corralled into tiny areas.
It makes me almost ashamed to be descended from those people.

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the queen of spain gave Columbus authority under the expanded doctrine of discovery based on the claim that christianity made them a superior resident of the planet to those indigenous idol-worshippers. it was all about the imperialism of the church.

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