The intention is to state the obvious facts, not to put down Bernie. I gave all the reasons based on polls and other facts. Did Bernie not start at #1 and is he not at #4? How am I putting Bernie down?

@St-Sinner
Fake news.

@Athena You are not explaining. How much of similar news that we don't agree with is fake news? Bernie is good ideas but a wrong messenger. He should start a Think Tank.

@St-Sinner
I'm not explaining because I already have, several times. This is not new for you to be all over Bernie and the reasons you believe he can't win. I've made my case with you here.

I've determined it's a waste of time. The point that you're delivering fake news is enough.

You are running with inaccurate facts.

I'm done. There's chocolate in my view...

@Athena Ok, we will talk in November 2020 then?

Willing to bet $100 on Bernie losing. Will pay any way you want Venmo, PayPal, Zelle etc. if I lose. No excuses. It is not because I want him to lose but because he is sure to lose first in the primaries.

In 2016, people were upset when I said Hillary was a bad candidate and would lose.

@St-Sinner

Hillary was an abominable candidate. She is the reason Trump won. She sabotaged Bernie and his supporters couldn't bring themselves to vote for her. She was also pro establishment and the public had had it with that crap. Trump ran on antiestablishment promises which was refreshing for many. He lied because he is totally pro establishment, is not keeping his promises and is destroying the country. The deficit had gone up! There will be a dip in the economic boom because he can't provide another significant tax break (for the rich).

I predicted Trump would win, a year before the election, because the US the most illiterates than any other first world country, and even more than some 3rd world countries. You're not impressing anyone with your prediction that Hillary would lose. She's horrible. Bernie would have beat Trump and he'll do it this time.

I'm really tired of this, honestly.

He'll definitely beat them..

Over the head, with all his whining, after he loses.

@Athena The Democrat’s seem to be the sore losers and the whiners.

@Trajan61

I don't think "sore losers" applies to any one group of people. It applies to individuals and how they behave.

When a narcissistic, illiterate con man is put in power and moves toward creating a dictatorship, it does make smart, decent people sore. I've met long time Republicans who are experiencing a similar soreness having seen decent Republicans in power, historically.

Don't you have a gun to polish?

@Athena Most of the smart educated people I know voted for Trump. Only a brain dead idiot would vote for the democrats.

@Trajan61

Thanks for proving my point! Lol.

We democrats certainly do not have a "Knight in a Shining Armor". We only have "Also Ran Horses". We were jumping up and down with joy and super excitement with our faulty candidate Hillary Clinton in 2016. What happened next is now history that we do not want to talk about. We democrats do not like bitter pills. We only like sweet medicines..

@Athena
Bashing Trump is easy. This is called the longest economic expansion the American history and you seem to dismiss all of that. No other president - no other has been able to preside over a strong economy it is today. I admit that Trump is shocking, he is unconventional, he pisses people off, he is not politically correct but remember, people chose him because Washington was not working. It was grid lock, lame duck presidencies, political infighting controlled by lobbyists etc. The voters wanted to burn the house down as the presidential candidate Pete Buttigieg pointed out. When there is a shock to the system, people and the system get very uncomfortable. He is that shock.

@Athena what point are you referring to exactly. The point that you liberal atheist seem to have replaced your lack of religion for a nanny state government? Yes I agree.

@Athena Seeing as your from Canada why are you so worried about US politics? Why don’t you concentrate on getting rid of that liberal idiot Trudeau?

@Trajan61

So what you're saying is I should mind my own business because I'm from Canada?

That's a terrible point - (one). We need to care about the world around us. And 2...

If you're going to adhere to that point, why doesn't the US mind its own business by not bullying other countries and starting illegal wars?

@Athena The Democrat are the ones who generally do that. Trump hasn’t started any wars. In fact he’ll likely withdraw US troops from Afghanistan.

You need to get your facts straight, but I see that's impossible, so you're actually kind of a funny little guy.

Aw...

@Athena Name 1 illegal war Trump has started. Your the one who has their facts wrong. Hell most liberals hate facts as they just don’t fit their radical agenda.

@Trajan61

You get YOUR facts straight. You told me to mind my own business and I stated the US should do that.

This isn't just Trump.

Your ignorance is fine... you can't help being a moron... but it's fucking annoying when you're speaking to me.

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Not a single of them running is the best candidate who can beat Trump. People are passionate about their political preferences and opposite facts are hard to accept but we have to be pragmatic and not dreamers.

I like Elizabeth Warren but she will not be elected in the primaries or general. I liked Buttigieg but his gay demographics counts him out from Day 1. I don't know what numbers he has calculated. It is possible that his game plan is not presidency for now.

@St-Sinner I would say he is testing the waters for a future run. Not a Bernie fan either. We need someone younger.

@GreatNani I like Bernie's message but he is unelectable for these reasons. His fans don't like it but that is the reality:

1. He is 77 years old
2. He looks hunch back
3. His ideas are pie in the sky
4. Taxing the rich to fund his dream will not sell
5. We know electing a president we want cannot get most things done. We need the Senate and House.Even if we do that many Democrats still balk at voting
6. It is likely Bernie will die in office if elected
7. He is Jewish. Our nation is not ready to elect a Jew, Mormon, Gay, Atheist president. A woman is likely only if very very good and black is not likely again
8. Bernie started at #1 but he is hovering around #4. The slide has begun.....

@St-Sinner I think Jewish can happen. But everything else is spot on.

@GreatNani The American South is less fair than you think. I live in Texas where they still think the Jewish will come and take their lands and guns.

@St-Sinner I think a combination of two of the top five for POTUS and VP would be a winning ticket. I'm not saying which two yet. I like them all, although from a likability standpoint, a couple of them fall short. I guess we'll see.

@St-Sinner More likely than Trump? I mean, he's in his 70's too and considering his anger issues, I'm surprised he hasn't dropped from a heart attack yet. I can see the DNC pushing Biden because he's probably the most moderate of the bunch (though maybe I'm wrong?). I'm just waiting to see when the young ones will get sick of us old people's crap and turn this country inside out. My daughter will be old enough to vote in the presidential elections in 2024. These will be kids who have pretty much had to deal with lockdowns and shooter drills since Kindergarten. Going to be interesting to see how they shape things and then maybe enough of these rich old white men will be dead. Nothing necessarily against them (unless they're screwing with the economy) but there's too many of them and it's not a true reflection of the people who make up this country.

@St-Sinner he is precisely 2 years older than drumpy, in far better physical and mental condition, and is the Originator of al the progressive ideas being used by every Dem candidate! (Go to YouTube & see for yourself, Bernie speeches going back 3 decades!) Why pick plagiarists/imitators?

@AnneWimsey Being intrinsically good is not enough in U.S. Presidential elections. We don't elect issues, we elect a person. It has always been like that. Personality matters.

@St-Sinner so you are saying you dislike Bernie's personality? IMO Biden completely lacks Any "personality"......

@AnneWimsey It is not about what I like or dislike. Voters will base their votes on his personality. I have already said in multiple places that Biden looks slow, frail and mumbling now in debates struggling to find words. But his fans don't like it. When you have a fever of one hero, you don't like anyone pointing out the weaknesses. The same things happened about Hillary. She was out Joan of Arc until she lost it all.