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Someone said it’s (Trump’s recent executive order saying the LGBTQ could be fired) effect is very limited to Christian businesses who contract with the federal government. Limited because most contractors are not Christian-based.

Well, think again. This is a company that does not contract with the government and the DOJ is now supporting their rights to fire a trans-gendered woman. And, supporting their right to fire a female employee wearing slacks.

And, to those saying it won’t happen because there are too few Christians... you should think again. It’s happening now.

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Rob1948 7 Aug 19
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just we know dumpster is stupid

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There's no actual thing as a "Christian business". The business only needs to claim that exemption to avoid prosecution for firing employees they don't like.

It works the same way when a cop wants to murder an innocent civilian. The cop just claims he "felt threatened" and that's the end of it

They can’t just “say it.” It would need to be included in its charter or some similar, Legal fashion.

@Rob1948 I don't believe you. Please provide some evidence of this.

@BitFlipper there is no law the proscribes this. But, if a business fires someone for religious reasons, they had better be able to prove their claim. Evidence of making such a claim would be inclusion in their charter, employee handbook, company procedures and personnel procedures and handbook if there is one and in their advertising. No court of law is going to buy the owner or company president saying we are a Christian company just on their word alone.

It is common sense that it will take something more than just saying it. I should not have to explain that to you or anyone.

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What is the best way to control business policy? Law suites, that take money from the business and it changes its policies.

If you have the money, go for it. Just remember, lawsuits are expensive and take lots of time and, now, you may be fighting the DOJ too.

@Rob1948
If the government doesn't make laws to regulate business', then lawsuits by the people make business' change their policy.

@xenoview not always. Businesses often settle cases to keep them out of the courts and to allow them to continue what ever they were doing. They assume that’s part of the cost of doing business.

@Rob1948
Business' may settle out of court when the know they will lose. Business' only fight in court if they think they can win, or the injured party doesn't settle out of court.

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Notice this shit happens when the Senate is on vacation? I called all 3 of my reps and their clerks were not really tuned in on this new edict. WTF?!?!
Narrow ruling or not I can see the "Hallelujah! I have found Jesus" moment coming down the pike.
Disgusting vile people come up with this sort of shit.

May happen while the Senate is on break, but even if it happened with them in session, senate Republicans would do nothing about it.

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From watching the Netflix series "The Family" recently I have come to believe that the entire federal government thinks that they are "Christian." Their insane prayer breakfasts are directed at spreading nonsense that is wrong or doesn't exist and they take in Evangelicals and others for their strange point of view. I'm sure that they think they have the right to fire, or demand the firing of almost anyone they want to. I see this at the base of an LGBTQ war along with other illegal doings.

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I am proposing a fundamental shift in mindset here...

This law should also protect the right of secular organizations to not make hires and fire people for having religion in the first place. If you really want this bill to fail, fire all your Christian employees and then hire only atheists and agnostic. Under this proposal the right to do this should be protected.

Conversely, if the opposite were true then an atheist organization would not be allowed to discriminate against those who are outspoken about religion, which could serve to undermine the intent of that organization.

According to the Pew research center, religiously unaffiliated is a fast growing group of people. This presents itself as a an opportunity, because not many organization tailor themselves to this growing crowd at the moment.
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One of the reasons businesses that discriminate fail to do so for very long is because the people they shun end up giving the competition an edge, because they will not utilize the resources that their more accepting rivals will. If businesses are refusing to hire individuals on the grounds that they are transgendered or don't dress a specific way, a savvy business man would see that as affordable labor.

Would be nice if it worked that way. However, if it did, then the Christians pushing this would not do so. They believe in their simple mindset that other groups such as atheists or agnostics or LGBTQ individuals don’t deserve protections. Why? Because they are not Christian.

The same applies to those who are Muslim. They (the militant, evangelical Christians) that Muslims don’t have or deserve the same rights as Christians. That is why, in Tennessee, a couple of years ago, they tried very hard to stop the building of a mosque.

In the evangelical mind of the Trump supporter, no one but Christians have rights.

@Rob1948 LGBTQ people are not all heathens by a long shot. When it comes to religion, they endorse the most popular religion at their peril.

Otherwise, I agree with you. When you have a country with more churches than schools it's a given the heathens and those who do not behave according to scripture are going to be in trouble.

@Rob1948 I thought this over and I'm going to throw it out there, although I can't back it up at this time.

If you want to stop this proposal dead in its tracks, tell every Christian you know the following message:

"This new proposal will empower the atheist elite to to persecute god fearing Christians everywhere"

Forget bullets and guns, this is modern warfare. The pen is mightier than the sword and a tweet is greater than the mind.

@Happy_Killbot unfortunately, evangelicals already believe they are under attack. Your message would only harden their resolve.

@TheMiddleWay That's good to know, I could definitely use some help implementing this exact strategy over here.

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@Rob1948 That's the point. Don't break into their shell, break them out. Because they believe they are under attack, you can make them think that the very thing they should be supporting is a threat, thus they will eliminate it for you!

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@Happy_Killbot No. You do not understand their intent and motivation.

They won’t react in that manner. They simply do NOT believe that the rights of non-Christians outweigh their own rights. Their goal is to make the US, it’s Constitution and laws a Christian state where their rights and religion control everything.

@Rob1948 so, make them think that the only path to accomplish this goal is to not enact this law.

@Happy_Killbot I doubt that would work.

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I think more and more it will be up to the people to boycott business that discriminate. The country is slowly coming to a boiling point and a recession that is being shown to be a real possibility could be the match that set things on fire.

Some states have made some boycotts illegal.

@BitFlipper Good luck with that. No state can tell me or other which institutions they can use or not use. I am also sure businesses will be loath to work in states that try to control where they can and cannot work.

@BitFlipper, @motrubl4u I disagree. Apartheid is a glaring example of one boycott that did work and the present attempt to boycott Israel might be another example. Businesses have refused to open shop in some states due to discrimination and those states have backed down. Sanctions are another form of boycott and they do sometimes work and the sanctions on Iran from the Obama administration showed it can work. I, for one can decide which company I will or will not use and no state can tell me otherwise. In the end it is about preserving our business traditions and the state trying to interfere in that will only harm the economy and strangle competition. Talk about socialism this is bordering on communism.

@JackPedigo the prohibitions against boycott work like this:

(1) in Texas every state employee must SIGN AN AGREEMENT that they will not support a boycott of Israel, or they are fired.

(2) in New York State (my state) many of us have tried to get mutual funds, annuities, and other financial entities to DIVEST from Israel - until Israel stops it's genocide of Palestinians. That effort is now illegal in New York. I love my state, but this is wrong.

You can personally boycott anybody you want, but an effective boycott - involving billions of dollars - is systematically becomming prohibited.

@BitFlipper Sort of like this:

I used to have my IRA with TIAA-Cref and non-profit group. They have a social choice and one can decide where and where not to put their funds. It is based in Maryland and I wonder if we would have to comply with other states rulings.
Unfortunately, the stock market is a major part of the problem and I have pulled out all my funds from the market.

@motrubl4u To me sanctions are a form of boycott and we still use this with some success. My question so if you are right then what? Should we all just give up and go along with the prevailing norm. Should we not be concerned because there is little we can do. Right now the meat industry is scared because more and more are becoming vegetarians. There was a report on NPR highlighting a report from the Wall Street Journal showing how popular the plant based 'meats' have become. In return the cattle and dairy industries are suing to stop words as burgers from being used by the new plant based food industries. Just because, to some, it is a lost cause doesn't mean we should stop trying.

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As an atheist, I want to be able to fire anyone who believes in imaginary gods. But I can't because I'm retired and closed our business. Damn 😟

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Maybe they can fire atheists or agnostics because we're not Christian. How about other non-christians like Jews, Hindus, or Muslims. The list is endless.

I imagine that would be on the agenda for some...

They want a christianist state here, with a single religion.

This should also mean an atheist should be able to fire religious individuals.

@Happy_Killbot we agree on what it should mean. But, in practical application, that is not what evangelicals intend it to mean.

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I love how a "Business" can have a religion and first amendments right, it can vote with money, can it own a gun? is that the next logical step? Automated turrets in case of robbers? can a business by default stand it's ground? =)

Well now I want to see this movie.

And a corporation is treated as a person in law. One that can't be jailed, and can not be put to death.

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