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Are we living inside a big atom?

As you can see the similarity of atom and solar system is very close, both of them has a center object and other objects revolving around it, and as a number of atoms make molecules the same way lots of solar systems together make the galaxies, so what I am asking is, is it possible that the whole universes is an element part of something bigger?

NR92 6 Aug 23
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The "solar system" atom model is a now defunct model from about a hundred years ago before the quantum model, which came out around the 1920's. Nevertheless the electron are in a bound state with the nucleus, they just don't spin in a single orbit, like planets around a sun. Instead there are regions of high probability where you are likely to find an electron. These regions are given the name "orbitals", the name obviously borrowed as an anology from orbits.

The reason why the behavior of atoms and the behavior of planets seem connected is because their motions are goverened by the Inverse Square Law or 1/r^2 Law.

For gravity the law looks like F_g = Kg M1M2/r^2

For electrons and nuclei it looks like F_e = Ke Q1Q2/r^2

Mathematically they yield the same kinds of stable motions, namely orbits.

However the fact that gravity is only attractive and electric forces are both attractive and repulsive and seem to have other laws it is a part of (maxwells eq) means the behaviors will be inherently different.

Nobody knows why it is this way.

As you may have heard, everything Ive described only describes 5% of the universe. Most of the universe seems to consist of dark matter and energy, and no one know what laws govern their motions.

Saved me some typing, thanks

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Everything in nature assembles in similar fashion. So yes, it stands to reason that planets, solar systems, galaxies and universes would look very similar to the objects found at the quantum level.

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Anything might be possible, but you remind me of people who look into the sky and find clouds that look just like Jesus. It is the nature of the human mind to do this. Without this sort of thought the world would never have had the great science fiction that we have seen. Science is always a "fiction" until it is proven, then later that same model may change.

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Yeah man... like, mind blowing... can I get some of that stuff you're smoking?

No, the similarities break down as soon as your knowledge of the solar system and atoms gets to the high school level of understanding.

Electrons exist in bound energy states that have multiple electrons per level. Electrons ate not corpuscular (point like) they are waves of potential until their wave function is collapsed through interactions with other particles such as a photon.

The orbits for planets typically are set in a flat disk, however electron energy states have complex 3D shapes that change depending on the number of electrons around the atom and the energy level of those electrons.

A lot of stars are in a binary pair, meaning their isn't one central object but 2 or sometimes 3. In fact the closest stellar system to Sol contains 3 stars, Alpha centauri A, Alpha centauri B, and proxima centauri which has a long orbit around the other two.

The last question isn't in the realm of science, however I can say that groups of galaxies move together to form a super cluster of galaxies that are torn apart by the ever accelerating expansion of space. The primary force for this interaction is gravity, but on the atomic/molecular level gravity is nearly meaningless, with the strong and weak nuclear forces being dominant in atoms and electro-magnetic force dominating atoms.

Is it all part of something bigger? If we zoom out will we start to see structures similar to microscopic ones and vice versa? No, because the speed of light is to slow for those types of interactions to occur thus those structurea can not form, and don't behave in the same way anyhow.

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No.
Atoms don't work the same way as a planetary system.
The planetary model is an analogy but for real electrons are not small balls orbiting the nucleus.
In the real modern theories electrons, neutrons and protons are described like a wave equation, it is "as if" they were like a cloud more concentrated in some areas.

Planetary orbits are almost all in the same plane, derivate from the original spin of the original cloud of particles that formed the system.

So if you make real drawing of how n atom would look like you should look for images of atomic orbitals, and a star system would be more like a central star with objects orbiting on the same plane.

Plus the forces that keep all together are completely different.

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Someone drawing that diagram has SERIOUSLY got the orbits of Mercury, Venus, Earth and Mars wrong!

To be brutally honest, the atom isn't right either.

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Certain rules of the universe cause recognizable patterns. Combine that with the fact that we tend to construct things in patterns that we have seen and you have what looks like a remarkable coincidence ... but it is far from coincidence. namaste

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That model of an atom is very old fashion. The quantum view is more realistic. So no, the atom and the solar system are not similar at all. [encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com]

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Yes!

Doctor Seuss' has covered that, in a vey cartoonist way!

"Horton hears a who!"

I have to agree with you on so many levels!

Friends from Sac State and Berkeley during numerous acid trips back in the sixties had this very type of discussions!!!

It was almost a bummer to realize we are just something so very very small that we could just vanish without a trace at the will of some unknown individual having a bad day or trip!!!

Still LMAO on that!!!

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Anything is possible.

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