The universe is a creator. Stars create atoms. Kinetic energy is everywhere. Something moves it has kinetic energy. There is a lot of kinetic energy that brought about each person's first zygote. It is a trail of kinetic energy. At some point our cognitive capabilities seemed to start for us, this cognitive capability is based on kinetic energy. A simple combination of 2 or more things makes a new thing. That is a defination of creation.

Looking back scientifically, we can only see theoretically but what we do see is kinetic energy and combining things plays a big role in the make up, or creation of things.

I tried this on a religious friend recently. If the universe resulted from a singularity, an infinitely small.infinitely dense particle,god must have been outside of this particle so as the universe expanded he would still be outside so you can he affect happenings inside the universe.
If god was inside this particle then he must be spread very thinly throughout the universe and must permeate everything so he is inside our brains, so why do we have to pray to him.

If you buy into the simulation theory then one could imagine that god is no more complex then a human. Only with a slightly better PC then we currently have.

I stopped wasting time and energy on that complexity many years ago.

Not familiar with Dan Barker, but I guess he wrote a preface for a book entitled "The Founding Myth", why Christian Nationalism is un-American. And I am pretty sure our Founding Fathers have all collectively turned over in their graves at the idea of that one.

Well sure you can continuously formulate questions that ask why and who at higher levels of complexity, but you haven't reached a greater level of understanding by doing so. You are and everything around you is. This reminds me of the idea in my reading yesterday; with the advancement of man's knowledge about the vastness of space it becomes more difficult for us to understand our place. So in other words the advancement of knowledge means the lessening of knowledge. Funny how that works.

I'm also a fan of Dan Barker FFRF.org

Dan Barker is great. He’s so smart and talented.

Not exactly a new argument but apt. On the other hand, believers have already come up with their ridiculous response despite to it, as it is not new.

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… and that creator must have a creator, and the one before also had to have a creator, so on ad infinitum.

"god of the Gaps". He is getting smaller every day.

To me this is a duh fact. Why is it so dificult for people to grasp. Only one reason, fear.

Believers all tell you that god "always was" in order to void that question. These days they even have their god in "another dimension" to be sure they can protect him form you and your questions. This only makes it worse because it does not explain how you communicate from this dimension to his to make contact with him. They just keep making it up.