I suffer from intermittent explosive disorder. Rage consumes me in spontaneously sparked moments, breaking free from it's perpetual residence just below the surface buried within my subconscious mind. Once, back in late 2014, while at the dry cleaners, a worker voiced their support and admiration of a local local conservative public figure (known for corruption, naturally) to a patron. Seemingly powerless, I immediately became unhinged, announcing at the top of my lungs, "fuck conservatives! fuck them straight to the fake hell they so believe in!" That scene got me a disturbing the peace charge and a $275 fine. Upon a walk several months ago in Rockford, IL at one of the city's busier intersections at the noon hour, I spotted an InfoWars bumper sticker on a traffic pole. In plain sight of dozens, I dramatically ripped it off, threw it to the ground, stomped on it, and then spat upon it. Some witnesses looked in bewildered disgust, while others actually cheered on my moment of aggravated weakness. Either way, politics further exacerbate the anger that is and has always been me and I'm so damned exhausted of it all.
Sounds like you urgently need to see a health professional for a diagnosis and medication.
To be blunt, you could be a danger to yourself and others.
I see red. Literally, my vision blurs and i cannot make decipherable words. I've come to recognize the moments of inexplicable anger, especially for the uncontrollable.
There was a day i was driving and i just swerved out of the way without any outward emotion. My friend in the passenger seat was perplexed. I truly could not drive without being a raging ball of firey madness.... I had just been so tired.
I understand it's exhausting. But i also understand the rage.
Thanks for sharing your personal experiences. I have on one occasion myself literally seen red. It was as frightening an episode as any I've gone through.
That's scary!!! Thankfully you didn't shoot someone!!!!!!!!!
@2muchstupidity i don't have a gun.
That has happened to me I see red or blackout. The last time that happened I was arrested for domestic violence! That event changed me and now I try to get a grip on my anger. It has gotten better now that I am getting older and I do meditation. The other problem was being married to a narcissist who knew how to pick at my anger, divorce and counseling helped too! I hope you find the help you need!
@MichelleGar1 I've blacked out also. It's frightening. I was out with my youngest daughter and she kept trying to get me focused on something other than the anger. At one point she said, "You're letting him ruin your day." Even though that's true, it's something that happens. Maybe getting better as I age, like you say. But it does occasionally happen.
@Lillyfield41 The last time I blacked out because of my anger I had my ex husband in a headlock and the police were arresting me! I don't even know how I took him down and had him like that! That scared me, not getting arrested or spending a weekend in jail scared me! The whole anger blacking out and how I could of killed him! That's what woke me up! Never again!
@MichelleGar1 Holy wow! yeah i guess that was a sobering experience.
@Lillyfield41 It was! Lol!!!
i am not a doctor so what i am about to say carries with it none of the authority a doctor might or might not have (even with some specific expertise and not having met you, which makes a difference) and even so i am going to be bold and make a suggestion. i have some personal experience of ssri antidepressants, which appear to be one path, or partial path of treatment for your disorder, and so i can tell you what they do not do. they do not tranquilize or dope you. they have as their most common side effect TEMPORARY nausea (for me, on a new pill or a new dosage that lasts a few days; that's not insurmountable, right?) and it does not change who you are, slow you down, make you feel as if you're not you or any of those awful things that people report feeling on different types of medications (like whatever it is they give bipolar people). i think by itself an ssri won't help as much as an ssri and cognitive therapy. now, since i don't know you, i don't know if you've already tried one or both of these things, but since i don't know, all i can do is suggest looking into it. you need a psychiatrist, not a psychologist, to prescribe an ssri, and s/he won't know which one to prescribe because everyone responds differently to the different ssris, even though they operate in much the same way. our minds and bodies don't, see? but s/he would start you on one and maybe try it for half a year, because they're not magic pills and they don't work right away (they can sure make you nauseous right away, though!) and then you would need a psychologist because psychiatrists don't do a lot of therapy anymore. but you don't need to see the psychiatrist very often; it's the psychologist who would want to see you weekly. (in-house treatment works best i hear but if you're getting along okay most of the time, outpatient sounds pretty good. AGAIN, can't say it enough, i don't know you and i'm not a doctor so i am speculating here.
that was the good news. the bad news is that the triggers are not going to go away, and they drive me batty too. there is one cure for that, and that is 1. advocate as best you can for political change and then 2. VOTE BLUE NO MATTER WHO. it won't cure the disorder but some triggers may ease up. don't hold your breath, but maybe, right?
oh, for me, ssris exacerbate my existing rls, but i understand that doesn't happen for most people. just thought i'd mention it.
in case you don't know what an ssri is, and pardon me if you do (maybe someone reading this doesn't and that's important too), that is a selective seratonin reuptake inhibitor, but it doesn't just work on seratonin, which is a neurotransmitter. some people suffer from depression or other disorders because their brains don't produce enough of certain neurotransmittors, such as seratonin, but MORE people who so suffer have, instead, brains that produce enough neurotransmittors but then drink them back up before they can circulate around the brain and give the commands they normally give, such as "hey you, make some melatonin so my body can sleep!" and "we're feeling a bit low; how about some endorphins?" or "that's quite enough substance p you're dumping into the spinal fluid; cut it out or our body is going to feel a bunch of needless pain." stuff like that. the brain produces it and then reuptakes it before it can do its supervisory job. so the ssri prevents that reuptake. as i said, it's not a tranquilizer or a muscle relaxant or an opioid or any of that stuff. it just corrects this little problem. okay, big problem! okay, theoretically corrects! and if one doesn't do the trick, the next one might, so don't give up, even though with half-year tries, it seems to take forever to find the right one unless you luck out right away. it's STILL better than going through the agony of not being in control of your emotions or of your responses to your own emotions. but by now your brain is so USED to being explosive, it may try to fight the commands even if your neutotransmittors are doing their jobs and transmitting them. that's where the cognitive (and behavioral) therapy comes in. and it's out there. all you have to do is seek it. i understand that most people with ied do NOT seek it. but... think of the money you'd save! )
i sincerely wish you the most fabulous luck (and determination).
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Thank you, I appreciate your suggestion.
Very thorough explanation of SSRI's
i've tried several SSRIs & never had any confidence that they really helped me. the last one i was on (citalopram) i stopped taking when my doctor gave up his practice & my prescription ran out (6 months ago). i've read quite a bit about SSRIs & came to the conclusion that they mostly have a placebo effect.
i have to admit that i haven't been doing well lately. may i ask which one works for you?
I have to agree with Ganessa, at least per my own personal experience. I did both individual and group therapy + took (well, I continue to take) an SSRI. Please do look into these if you haven’t already done so. I’ve done both cognitive behavior therapy (CBT) and dialectic behavior therapy (DBT). Both were excellent for me. There may be other therapies for you.
To answer Call Me Dubious, I went through a few before we found the right one. I started with Celexa (citalopram). It was amazing ... BUT I literally could not have an orgasm (whether alone or partnered) AT ALL. So I moved on to Wellbutrin, but that one made my symptoms worse. Ugh! Then I moved on to Lexapro (escitalopram). It’s the same as Celexa but without the sexual side effects. I’ve been taking it successfully now for 5-6 years. Good luck!
Smoke some weed, guy. Something is out of balance in your brain. Good luck to you.
Yeah, I probably should get pretty lit
@HockeyGuy Good plan. Add some red wine, and you'll be good.
@Spinliesel That’s a bandaid. You can’t stay high and drunk all the time. Probably best to find the cause and treat it
@Marcie1974 It is even worse than a band-aid. Alcohol makes this sort of thing worse.
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Have you tried any guided meditation? There are many on Youtube. Some of them are great at helping you redirect your mind. There are many that are specific to rage, depression, sleep disorders etc. I use one for sleep and it has truly helped me. Sending a big hug your way.
I have not tried guided meditation but do appreciate your suggestion. I will have to try.
I too have had this problem my entire life...now 71, aging has helped. I never even knew there was a name for it other than "bat-shit crazy"...I. believe it stems from rage/helplessness as a very young child being molested.
I'm sorry you endured that as a child
Have you sought medical attention, aside from a psychiatrist, that can evaluate how your body and brain chemistry might be working, so you can sort this out?
I say this, becuse bouts of anger really aren't a good idea to just watch yourself do.
Aside from the obvious legal and social problems they cause, anger actually does a lot of damage to your body, and brain.
In fact, have you ever seen what people look like when they grow up, going through tons of anger? They become totally deformed by it, and they can't think intelligently, being commanded by this hunk of raisiny, scaled husked neurons, floating inside of their head. Being angry is definitely not good for you, others, or anything, really.
You should also try to get less physical about your anger, as well, because I noticed that you talked about yelling and cursing in your post.
What I'm saying is it's okay to act angry, or voice that you have a problem with something. But explosivity really isn't good and you might want to do nothing, or do something else when you're about to spew.
I rarely lose my temper, even less as I have become older but that may be due to fewer situations to get at me.
Politics, queues, and the daily shit of life never get to me .... but the few times I lost it, guys around watched in awe.
The first time was at school when a persistent bully walked up behind me and punched me in the back ... a regular trick of his for his mates to laugh at ... I spun around and hit my knee hard into his balls ... he dropped and I kickked him .... only three times, but I trained and knew how to kick, breaking his ribs and forearm. I was almost expelled, but one of the masters had seen everything and stood up for me....
He stopped bullying and nobody ever bothered me again
That's awesome. I was bullied relentlessly throughout childhood and adolescence and would and have loved to have left such a message though action as you did
What good does it do to get so enraged at commonplace situations you have no control over? You're going to encounter stupid shit like that for the rest of your life so just learn to roll your eyes and let it go.
Pot is helpful for mellowing out so...
Indeed. I need to get ripped
It’s not like he WANTS to feel that way. It’s like telling someone with clinical depression to just be happy. Doesn’t work that way. Most likely some chemical imbalance
@Marcie1974 Which is why I presecribed the pot -- a medication that mellows one out.
@Sgt_Spanky ok, didn’t realize you were authorized to prescribe pot. Also, he can’t just stay high all the time and be expected to hold down a job
@Marcie1974 Exactly, on both your points.
There are times that I feel this way deep inside but I feel that if I let it take control of me I might not live too long. I learned control instead. One such time was today at the hardware store (I know these people) where I mentioned a few of our countries ills. They agreed with my every word and said the answer is Donald Trump. My mind is screaming out "no" cause Trump is the idiot that caused this crap. You can never get them to agree on that one. He's the American savior.
You have named your disorder so I assume you've been professionally diagnosed. It seems like there would treatment, so I encourage you to put yourself in the hands of a professional. I think medication might help.
Tearing a bumper sticker off a pole doesn't sound like a bad thing however dramatically it was done. Cursing out like that in public and getting fined for it does sound like a problem - you should have taken control of your feelings and CALMLY explained why the other person's perspective was wrong.
I don't know the full extent of your problem as you have only given two examples of how it has effected you, but it's definitely something you need to keep working on, examining, learning about.
Thanks for posting this as I have a friend with this (I think), this is the first time I have heard it is a condition and so I can forward this to him to see if he can get help.
Yes, some on this thread have ignorantly failed to acknowledge the distinction between IED and just standard bad behavior temper tantrums, which of course one has full control over. Thank you for effectively understanding the difference and I wish the best for your friend.
I have a bad temper, but not THAT bad lol
I'm guessing you haven't been diagnosed with IED?
@HockeyGuy Never heard of it before now.