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people who want to refuse care to patients due to personal or religious beliefs don't belong in the medical field or in mental health services

bellfiem 4 Sep 30
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Because a persons was taught to worship their own imagination as a child they are allowed to opt out of any situation as adults that offends their childhood imagined beliefs. This is what religion demands from the public and this is what the religious republicans are making into law in every state in America. And now thanks to republican law making, a religious person's imagined beliefs can now be declared to be more valuable than my life in the RED state I live in.

I commend you for keeping your sanity living in a very RED state. I am thankful to live in Minneapolis. We have our share of crazies but we also have lots of thinkers.

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But if that person has a chronic illness and will die painfully they will do anything to keep those people alive !! Baffles me !!!

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100% agreed.
It should be legal to sue them for malpractice.

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The number of women put in harms way, put in death's way, all for some ridiculous religious belief shouldn't be allowed. It goes against the hypocratic oath, common sense, and all of their training.

@maturin1919 Yeah, I'm half asleep and mistyped.

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Agreed. Also get out of civil servant jobs if the duties conflict with your personal beliefs.

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i agree, and i would add that at least for mental health professionals, it’s even worse to use that position as a tool for evangelizing. i had a therapist tell me her conversion story and then try to convince me i couldn’t get over my grief because i was angry at god. now i ask therapists outright if they believe in “spiritual health” and if so, that it’s their job to treat such a thing.

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Who would think they took a hyporcrite oath instead of the Hippocratic oath!!!

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I absolutely agree.

Deb57 Level 8 Sep 30, 2019
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And those who are so set in their ways that they actually cause distress to those they are caring for as well.
E.g. Some chemotherapy drugs cause the mucosal membrane lining the throat and digestive tract to breakdown and fall away, leaving the underlying tissues, etc, completely uncovered, raw and painful to the patient when swallowing.
My daughter went through a number of bouts of mucositis during chemo and during one very bad bout a Nurse who should have known better literally demanded that, instead of having ice cream and cold fluids for breakfast, she have a hot breakfast and toast.
The result, one very upset patient, a parent who very irately told the nurse to leave his daughter alone or he'd teach her to fly by tossing her out of the 3rd. floor window, an Oncologist who agreed with the parent and ORDERED the nurse off of the Ward immediately and NEVER to return.

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The "religious beliefs" argument holds as much weight as "I'd rather go home and get loaded than help you"

At least the latter is closer to the truth.

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Some of these Republican Xians might want to get into those positions just so they can proudly make those refusals.

If you have ANY religious objections to ANYTHING that may be required in your job, you are not qualified!

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If you are unable to properly do your job because of "religious conviction", then get another job.

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Had this conversation at work on Saturday and Sunday. A fellow worker who is also an atheist had to take a service user to church, which they weren't happy about doing. I enjoy it, but I was working with someone else who requires greater qualifications and with so many other people off sick and holiday they could not get a shift change. The worker had a had time of working there.
The way I see it is, it's a job. We get paid by the hour, get over it. It's the service user's life, and we get to share in it.
Fair enough, the church knows I'm the 'enemy' and they are happy to say so. I drink their coffee and eat their cakes, pop in ear plugs before the country and western hyms start, tune in, turn on and chill out looking at the pretty ladies and weird people congregation.
The person we support has no concept of religion, they go there for music, drinks and cake. One day I dare say they'll get a faith healer in to cast out the devil, but they're not going to succeed!

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Absolutely true

bobwjr Level 10 Sep 30, 2019
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As a nurse, I couldn't agree more. I would add that anyone who would refuse to bake a cake for someone due to personal or religious beliefs doesn't belong in the culinary profession!

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This sort of thing emphasizes that it is not okay to believe what one wants to believe, or what feels good to believe, or what gives one comfort to believe. As far as matters which affect only one's own self, you can believe what you want. But when your beliefs affect the medical care of others, what you believe needs to be the actual fact and truth.

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That reminds me of the cult Jehovah’s Witnesses in their refusal of blood transfusions.

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i agree

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Agreed

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You will get no argument from me on this 🙂.

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I agree. If you don’t want to sell cakes to homosexuals, etc then don’t sell cakes. If you don’t want to provide marriage license to select groups get a different job since you can’t do this one. If you don’t want to perform medical procedures to select individuals then that isn’t the job for you. If you are a teacher who wants to lead children in prayer in school do not teach in a public school. If your unable to grasp the proven concept of evolution in public school then again - teach elsewhere {but, preferably not at all because your knowledge of science is suspect}. I’m so grateful to the Atheist groups who are taking these cases to court. But unfortunately the courts are being tarnished by recent appointments of judges.

Cinco Level 5 Oct 3, 2019
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It's a violation of the Hippocratic Oath. They need to clearly understand prior to even receiving degrees and certifications what that oath means and what the consequences are for violating it.

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The “oath” is strictly ceremonial
It is not binding and no one is required to follow it by law. It is just a right of passage.

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No shit, Sherlock!

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Take heart. The percentage across our population of people who are deluded by religious belief is slowly declining. Maybe in five or six more generations they'll be in the minority. (Oh well, at least we can hope.)

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Most definitely!

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