I'm not against vaccinations, but I knew a nurse who got a flu shot, and a week later, woke up unable to move part of her face, and her one arm and leg were weak. A stroke was ruled out, and the doctors asked her what did she do differently, what medicine, etc. in the past month or so. The only thing was the flu shot, and the manufacturer did say there could be a reaction of MS-like symptoms. There was nothing she could do, because you sign a release when you get one. She never regained normalcy.
If it happened very rare like one in ten million you have better odds dying from the flu disease is very certain side effects are rare disease isn't are you sure , did you meet or know the person many Bullshit stories abound . And as I said herd immunity is affected look at measles epidemic kids are dying from this Bullshit now . I get my flu shots every year hundreds and thousands of seniors die from flu every year. Whooping cough is coming back polio could do the same along with all the scourges of disease we don't live with now. Smallpox diphtheria all of them are waiting in the wings ready for a comeback. Religious exemptions must be eliminated only allergy or weakened immune system are valid bring back quarantine and mandatory vaccination
@bobwjr Flu shots won't protect you against everything out there. It's a false sense of security.
@photoelectric against most current flu even when their off on the prediction you still get some immunity reducing severity
@bobwjr If you don't work, you're not out there forced to be among sick people, you can choose to avoid them.
@photoelectric retired not dead yet going to do some work with my GP going to third world countries supplying medical care to those who don't get any. And I keep track of medicine and with my docs and SAPA along with latest updates. And some things don't change, ignorance of medicine and science is one of them. When I did research at johns Hopkins medical systems had to know science a and physiology. I know this stuff and lived through it . Vaccinations are safe with very small risk, ignorance is bringing back old plagues we had defeated based on a lie told by a physician who recanted and lost his licence.
Some of my classmates had parents who were polio victims, and walked with a pronounced limp. They were the lucky ones. The majority of people don't read or think. Serious diseases like the measles and whooping cough, both if which I suffered through, are no joke, and can be fatal. What's next? Small pox? Measles should have been eradicated, and almost was, save for these anti-vaxxer idiots.
Polio, TB, and leprosy are coming back. People are bringing it in, from places that do not vaccinate. i don't think we should force these people to vaccinate though.
That short memory is big trouble. I use photos like these, too, to remind people. I know people whose immune systems are not the greatest, including a young grand nephew who has a rare syndrome that keeps him in the hospital often enough as it is.
I also knew a couple of people with polio. Fortunately, in those weren't severe cases, but the polio did affect their mobility.
I always vaccinate. My kids and I have all the suggested ones plus a few.
Not long after the time of those pictures when they first came out with vaccines and spread them around they started mandating them here. They mandated them in the minority areas forcefully and went through and burned the houses down afterwards just to be safe. This is where that movement was born. I has seen several iterations since. The current one seems to be a power struggle and everyone calling everyone stupid which never works (that is a science based opinion)
Measles are the threat right now not polio. It's my opinion if everyone stepped back and tried to communicate like humans about it we would have more success.
My first job - 13 on a farm - my bosse's wife had polio and was confined to a wheelchair. She ran the house and raised two little girls and "managed" well, as folks say. It still had to be hard on her and she died in her 50's due to complications from the disease.
vaccinations are not a black and white issue like anything in life. There are some good vaccines.. there are some not so good ones, and there are ingredients that are harmful. Instead of dividing people into do and don't camps, we need to listen to each other and examine how we can improve this important issue. We clearly have a percentage of the population being harmed by these...so how can we improve ( and reduce the amount) of vaccinations? We are all on the same side, we want healthier people. Name calling never helped to keep communications going.
Thank you for injecting (pun intended) humanity into this conversation.
The actual percentage is something like 0.001% vaccinations are being made safer unless twatwaffle changes things. Your information is very faulty, some anti vaxxer disinformation. I have been in medicine since the late 60's still never met someone suffering from a side effects of vaccination and the same for every colleague I have met. So your argument is not valid. Check the facts from a reliable source
I agree that we have a short memory. I'm getting a flu shot next week and in my early school daze I remember those with polio. Antivaxxers fall into a group of "dumbed down" people and this is all in the current plan. Confusion and distraction to the point that you do not know what to believe. This is how Trump and the Kochs will control us all and do exactly what they want. The problem here is that I here so many otherwise intelligent people claim that these days we do not know what to believe. Why? How would the election of Donald Trump change all of that?
As a species we’re going into reverse evolution...at least many of us are it appears! Yes,..we collectively do have very short memories, and the great scientific discoveries and advances in immunology we made over the past century and a half are being rubbished by uneducated conspiracy theorists on the Internet. Why do people prefer to listen to some unknown blogger rather than the medical profession and scientists? That is the worrying question we need to ask. Sadly, large numbers of people will die of completely preventable illnesses if we don’t get to grips with this problem of under-vaccination, perhaps we need to make it compulsory for children prior to school enrolment.
Evangelical Christians are behind some of it already delusional anyway
@bobwjr of course!
The medical industry is being directed by the Pharmaceutical Industry which is profit driven. Medical doctors are hand protocols they must follow and very little say in the treatments that they provide. This is why many people have lost trust. We need to examine the vaccination issue, and improve upon it. As usual, the answer lies somewhere between the 2 camps. Allowing yourself to fall into the name calling, instead of dealing with the issues will not resolve this issue.
@AmmaRE007 I’m sorry, but here in the U.K. that does not apply in the least. Our doctors work under a completely different system and our NHS is free from the influence of Pharmaceutical companies. You talk from an American perspective, naturally, I talk from mine, but it’s bigger than both...it’s a world wide problem, any pandemic won’t respect any borders, and the internet and its influence is also pan-world in peddling mistruths. I’m not resorting to name calling...unless you read some insults into my words that elude me.
@Marionville Your post didn't fall into the name calling, most do however. Yes, I am speaking from the perspective of the American ( and to a lesser extent Canadian issue). I agree that it is a world problem, however it still needs to be examined to be improved. There are too many vaccinations being given and too many toxins in those vaccinations. I appreciated your communication style
Many years ago Smallpox killed and maimed huge numbers, as many as one in four people could expect to get it. Those who survived were left disfigured, and it caused great shame because the wounds look a lot like Syphilis. ( Hence 'Small-Pox' ) It was the first disease ever to be completely eradicated, thanks to vaccinations, perhaps medicines greatest achievement, given the vast numbers of victims who had suffered.
Polio was almost about to go the same way and be gone forever, until the religious fundamentalists stopped the work, in part by putting out stories in the developing world, that vac's was a western conspiracy to cause sterility in Moslem men.
Both may reoccurring because of this idiocy
Darwinianism will weed out the idiots and their progeny. We need a good culling anyway...
But will endanger us too herd immunity
@OwlInASack scary stupid shit isn't it
Except for or the fact that with the lack of herd immunity, many others will suffer, too.
I remember the first vaccines for polio and the number of kids that got polio that changed their lives forever. I grew up in a little backwater town, but the importance of vaccines was such that they had a health department nurse that came to the school for shot day. Everybody got shots unless they were allergic to the vaccine.
Yup and it changed the way of life for so many, saved so many from death and paralysis
That's right . Today I was arguing w a 50 yr old hippiewannabe about hpv vaccine for her 13 yr old daughter . I was not at work , I was having a nice day w friends out and about . The woman was not invited by any of us to join our talk . She just lean over her table and told us , that this vaccine is dangerous and not enough studies yet , and that she will never vaccinate her daughter .
I made a reasonable effort to explain facts , stats and results . Until. She told me , COCONUT OIL , ( yeah . F coconut oil ), and another shit oil that I don't even know what it is , is all u need to protect self from most sexual transmitted diseases .
And u know what Bob ? That's when I said , well of course . I forgot that . U are right . Do that w your kid .
Evolution , WHERE ARE U .
If you leave them alone, they will take themselves out with no help. It is called thinning out the herd. I promise you the last thing her husband will say before he dies is, "Hey! Watch this!"
@Sticks48 problem is herd immunity when that decreases which these idiots do then even the vaccinated are at risk, maybe they won't suffer full effects but even partial of something as devastating as polio can result in partial paralysis. That is why when I served in the army t they vaccinated for everything and repeated the old ones like polio. I had the original Salk vaccine in the early 50's and the later oral one
Futile and aggravating but as professionals we must try
Want to slap some sense into them don't you