Actually everyone has a say. Have u not seen the political debates, the news coverage, or read the 1st amendment?

@RickyAdams ‘everyone’ THINKS they have a say. In truth, a woman owns her body. Full stop.
Everyone else can just Die Mad About it.

@RickyAdams No. No one "has a say", they just think they do. They are 100% wrong.

I love u liberals point of view. Its a womans body. Its not a womans body, its an unborn childs body. If u wanna stab urself in the stomach or blow ur brains out... Thats ur body and nobody will say a thing.

It befuddles me how simplistic minded liberals can be... U should be a vegetarian bc eating meat is animal cruelty but its ok to kill unborn babies bc its my body and i don't want to face my responsibilities. How the hell can that logic make sense to anybody

@RickyAdams Sir , with all due respect, unless you have a vagina and uterus, and are able to carry a fetus, your words ring mighty hollow. Befuddlement suits you.

@RickyAdams ahhh yes. Because raising a human being to adulthood is the appropriate punishment for sex. Aborting a pregnancy if you don’t want to be a parent IS taking care of your responsibilities.

@RickyAdams okay, as soon as you hurl the whole "you liberals" bullshit, you render your entire "argument" invalid.
I am NOT a liberal. Hell, I'm not even a democrat.
The bottom line is as long as it's MY body, it's MY life, and it is MY decision. It not anyone's business but my own.
As far as I'm concerned, it is nothing but a parasite which I have every right to have removed from MY body. There is no sentimental attachment, no matter how badly you or anyone else thinks there should be.
I don't have to live my life according to what you believe. No one does. Regardless of what you think.

I don't give a flying fuck if you don't like my choice. It has absolutely NOTHING to do with you. You can take your disapproval, fold it in three corners, and shove it up your ass.
Your opinion doesn't mean a fucking thing.
You have NO right to interfere with what I do, or any other woman does, with our own bodies.

No fetus is more important, or should EVER have any rights which would supersede the rights of the women you seem to think should be forced to gestate and carry any pregnancy to term.

When you grow a uterus and ovaries, and can become pregnant yourself, then and ONLY THEN, do you have ANY right to make that decision for YOURSELF.
Until then, your opinion means less than nothing.
You get to have an opinion on anything you please, but you do NOT get to interfere with matters that do not fucking concern you.
Whether you think you have the right or not.

Besides, if men could get pregnant, there would be abortion clinics at every intersection, and they'd all serve wings and beer in post-OP.

I really hope this clears things up for you.
I doubt it though.
You don't seem cognizant enough to understand what is your business and what is not.

@mongo1977 so some of them r heifers. But yea giving more rights to cattle than to human beings and calling it a parasite makes total sense.

@RickyAdams Just for clarification - Parasite: A plant or an animal organism that lives in or on another and takes its nourishment from that other organism. A fetus qualifies.

@KKGator male entitlement and rapist rights are reason enough to kill a 6 or 10 week pre-embryo before it can learn how to harass or rape women in the future

@KKGator good job @KKGator pissing all over the sexist tampon terrorists troll....@RickyDavis volunteer to transplant a 6 week pre-embro and placenta scooped out of an unwilling uterus with a tiny teaspoon or better yet an ectopic pregnancy that could kill the unlucky woman and SEE HOW FULL YOUR ABDOMEN will tolerate a growing embryo with a tablespoon of amniotic fluid.....the growing umbillicus will drain you of blood and cause your breasts to grow hard and 8 times your current size.... squish your pancreas into gestational onset diabetes....you stupid fuck have no clue about the science of gynecology or obstetrics...go fuck yourself elsewhere and leave women alone and don't terrorize health care workers nor study menstrual pads for 2 week fertilized ovum

@CarolinaGirl60 stfu @RickyAdams

@evergreen for centuries "doctors" applied leeches to suck out "infections" .. the bibles ordered mass abortions against Samarian women and rape of virgin females while murdering everyone else VERY EXPLICIT instructions from the alleged bible gawd "rip open the bellies of pregnant women " 2 Kings 8:12 and 4 other passages 3 different "books" PARASITES ARE PARASITES be they religious perpetrators or Atheist rapist visitation rights advocates in dozens of states

@evergreen, @KKGator I keep laughing out loud when little dicks like his are put inside his own anus.... any advocate of rapist visitation rights like CongressBOY STEVE King is a misogynist criminal theocrat traitor to civil rights of women

True Pinnochio is more real than the alleged vaginal virgin birthing in a dirty donkey stable 2023 years ago of the alleged baby gawds geebush jeehobah ghostholes when real King Herod died on the fictional backdated calendar 12 centuries ago

I'm sorry. I guess I'm ranting.

God is everywhere. Didn’t you know?

Vent pal...slap a straw man here make an Agnostic smile and laugh a little

And, some people are here because they have come from religious backgrounds and have residual issues, or are in the closet about their non-belief, and it is good to be able to discuss things openly with like-minded people. If you don't want to read certain posts, then give them a pass--easy, peasy.

See my rant post on this very issue!

What I like about hsi question is that it points out a fatal flaw in the argument on the terms of the religious themselves.

I also favor the argument that the bible itself defines life as beginning with the first breath. I have yet to find a believer who can explain how if life begins with the first breath, why abortion would be killing. Of course I don't go looking for arguments either.

If an argument can be won just usign the beliver's own doctrines, I think of that as an ideal way to handle it, because they wont' listen to arguments which fall outside of their own beliefs.

One of the most asinine points of view ive ever seen. Hell lets just kill off the entire population to devoid the world of religion. SMDH

Beth, How was your mind freed... husband?

@Shevy, my husband showed my the light, er...darkness, about a year ago. I started questioning my faith after watching several episodes of Atheist Experience and other atheist YouTube content.

@Biblebeltskeptic I'm glad that you made it out of the Matrix!

Not to mention, the bible actually gives instructions about how to perform abortions and when it's "permissible".

The point of Limbo is that your loved ones could BUY your way out of it

Catholic belief is limbo. Limbo can also hold those who haven't been enlightened. It must be a full place for those born and dead pre 300 adish.

The Catholic Church has not included limbo doctrine for quite awhile now

Yes, but you can be paid out of purgatory. LOL

@Allamanda depends on which myth

Do you speak of the Guf aka the tree of souls? If they never reach ensoulment, they wouldn't leave the tree of souls. Fantasy is such a strange topic.

Yes, it is. And this is one of the things that got me thinking skeptically and doubting my beliefs.

Here is some more religious logic on that subject - in the bible it states that their god predetermines exactly when and where a person will be born. If the person is not born and instead is aborted it is still absolutely their god's predetermined choice for that person unless of course the bible is a lie.