Wow - almost my exact experience with my disenfranchisement of Catholicism at 15, and then - my Sister. I finally wrote her a long letter, in order to stop the "sales pitch" at every opportunity. Damn.

I no longer believe in "subtlety" with believers.

I completely disagree.
It does, in fact, "hurt" people to allow this kind of disrespect.
It also emboldens the believers to further try to influence public policy.
It hurts a great deal.

NO, what she is doing is saying if you do not repent you will go to Hell, you need to be saved and I am going to do it.
This means she not only believes in eternal punishment for finite offenses, but believes genuinely that @Trussell2069 DESERVES to burn for all eternity for expressing his atheism
I find that incredibly evil, almost as evil as worshiping a being you believe would do that to ANYONE, especial for nothing more than not believing in a creature that refuses to prove it's own existence.
I never bring the subject up but when and if people insist on trying preaching on me I warn them once that they do not want to discuss this with me, if they still insist they get both barrels of my disgust.

@KKGator
Meh, can’t hurt me

@darthfaja Mabe not, but back in the day these same people were burning heretics at the stake, and many would again given the chance, and I think you would agree, that sort of behaviour tends to sting a bit

@LenHazell53
There were a lot of things that occurred back then that have zero relevance to today. You all act so fragile. We are misfits in the world. Accept it and move on.

@darthfaja A naive attitude to take when such things are still happening in Theocracies and overly religious counties today, such as any country with Shia law and Uganda where government sanctioned mass murder of homosexuals by Christians is so common it does not even make their news and a in a world where even the most progressive country such as the USA permits the selling and preaching to children of a "Holy" book that advocates for slavery, incest, pedophillia, and the murder of children, homosexuals, foreigners, non believers and women.

@LenHazell53
I’m hardly naive but I’m also not an alarmist either.

@darthfaja Love your avatar by the way, big Hammer film fan here too

@LenHazell53
Haha thank you ‍

No.

@KKGator

OK.

@moosepucky
Why?
I had my education interfered with when my mother stormed into my primary school and in front of the class bawled out my teacher for doing her job and telling us human beings are animals, when according to her we are the subject of the divine image and to say otherwise is blasphemy.
WHY should my teacher have had to live with that, why should I have had to put up with that and the 14 years plus of Bible mandated SHIT she tried to indoctrinate in to me?

No Sir, we do not have to put up with lies, childish delusions, fear based nonsense and fools, when we can speak out against it and invalidate it with facts.
If you are willing to live with that for the sake of a quiet life KNOWING it is foolishness, you sir are a coward.

@LenHazell53

Evangelical anti-god, to me, is worse than the worst atrocities committed in the name of god

We are "supposed" to know better but you prove me wrong.

@moosepucky Tolerance of the intolerable or the intolerant is putting your own head under the heel of the oppressor and inviting them to stamp you silent without complaint.

@LenHazell53

I have no desire or "calling" to convert or un convert anyone.

What someone chooses to believe is their personal choice.

I have the same feelings about political choice and sexual preference. I would not call out anyone on any of their personal choices, regardless of what they have chosen.

@moosepucky So you would be okay with some Christian ass telling you your children deserve to burn in Hell forever? You are okay with extremism, nationalism, racial purity, ethnic cleansing?
All just personal choices?

By the way sexuality and gender are NOT a personal choices or preferences.

@LenHazell53 I have not experienced what you are saying.

Maybe because I am not publicly outspoken about my religious, political, or sexual preferences.

@moosepucky does not alter the fact that it happens and that such people really believe in such immoral cruelty.
If you ask a Christian if they believe that they will have one of too reponses
A) Yes in which case you then know they are an immoral monster who you should have no place for in your life
B) They say "Well I don't personally believe that but it is the will of god" in which case you know they are a hypocrite happy to worship a monster and turn a blind eye to the suffering they believe will fall on BILLIONS of people at the hands of said monster they too are an immoral monster who you should have no place for in your life

Or are you the sort of person who is willing to have an utterly cruel theo-nazi as a friend or neighbor so long as you don't know it?
I would rather know if a monster is in a position to interact with my grandchildren and make sure that they don't.

@LenHazell53:

#1) Why would I ask a Christian (Muslim, Jew, Buddhist, or any dedicated religious person) ANYTHING about their beliefs much less try to convert them to my personal beliefs? I am NOT an anti-religious fanatic. My purpose in time is to NOT create friction, especially over something as irrelevant as religion. My purpose is to enjoy the little time we have in this cognitive state known as life, not to argue about something that I have no control over.

#2) Would you prefer a pedophile as a neighbor or a religious family to interact with your grandchildren?

So far I have tried to keep our interaction on a non personal, theoretical, level. You, for some reason, want to draw me into a personal debate/argument about something that has little to no interest for me.

In our short interaction I have come to believe that you have some very personal issues that you need to work through. This is best done at a professional level, not on an internet forum which seems to only exasperate your issues.

That's about all I can say, other than good luck.

@moosepucky If you read my previous posts you would know I don't thrust my lack of beliefs on anyone,(I would have thought someone of your obvious intelligence would have known Atheism is NOT a belief) but if they attempt to thrust their's on me, I will warn them that they really don't want to do that, but if they insist I will engage with them on a factual basis and usually end up seriously damaging their faith.
Point 2 is a false dichotomy, because being a pedophile/paedophile is nothing to do with your faith or lack there off it is a mental condition that as we all know is particularly prevalent in members of the clergy of all denominations, perverts do not tend to proselyte and finally if the "christian family" are of a missionary bent you are basically saying is it not better to have your children mental raped than physically raped . Well NO neither is acceptable and both can cause long term trauma.

I do not expect you to reply to this since you seem to have lost interest in the conversation and have instead resorted politely insulting me.
But for the sake of anyone following the interaction I have had my final say.

So good luck to you too

@LenHazell53 maybe over time we can engage in substantive conversation.

I believe you have a lot to say and we all have a great deal to learn along our trip through this unusual and unexplored wilderness called life.

Best to you and I look forward to jousting on a more relivent topic sometime in the future.

agree. I am offended by their nonsense, why should I have to put up with being offended ? their religious BS is the same as calling me a racist name... keep it to yourself

@Leetx Well, I wouldn't go that far. I definitely don't equate having someone impose their religion upon me as the same as calling anybody a racist name. Intention figures into that equation, for one thing. I also don't consider myself, or anyone, as having the right to not be offended. I just get very amused when god botherers take any level of push back to their sales pitch as effrontery.

@Deb57 your point of "intention" is a good point.. It does not make me feel less offended to know that they didn't "intend" to insult me...but, they do. they do seem offended with any push back on their delusion...and, to be honest... I don't really know if I intend to insult them when I push back. I just want them to stop talking nonsense to me... it makes my head hurt

One can disagree respectfully and debate the existence of god(s) without being called a "militant atheist."

That is not a fact it is an opinion.
I had a strong support network of people who helped me transition of of theism and in to reality, I am grateful for that and attempt to emulate their efforts to help me break the very chains you advocate leaving in place.

I respectfully disagree, and I was raised in a very Christian environment, Christians are not only condescending to non Christians but to other "Misbelieving" Christians and to "less holy" members of their own denominations.
Even the "best" of them still consider (or are expected to consider) all "others" Hell worthy.