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Anyone here experience this internal conflict? I know quite a few Christians. Most of them know I don't believe. None of them has ever approached me to try to convince me to "be saved".

This is not intended as a criticism of them personally. But it's bothersome because on the one hand, I don't really want people trying to save me in this way, though I do enjoy a good discussion. But on the other hand -- why are they not trying?

I'm assuming (only assuming, mind you) that they believe I will not go to heaven. In my limited experience, this silence on the subject is the general rule, not the exception.

Is their belief not certain enough? Do they believe in predestination, and therefore there's no point in trying to convince me? Do they just not care? Is it just not part of god's will? Ought I to be offended?

(It's somewhat hypothetical. I'm not really offended. But it's curious...)

Omnedon 7 Dec 2
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Be careful of what you wish for.

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I’ve never had a Christian try to “save” me. I do live a very non Christian lifestyle (never-been-married mother, etc) and am vocal of my own beliefs, so if they know me, they know they’d be wasting their breath. I honestly don’t care why, I’m just glad they don’t 😁

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Count yourself fortunate that no one is trying.

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Maybe they are also respectful people who accept you for what you are.

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I suspect they just don't like you and are hoping you won't follow them to Heaven. (Kidding, kidding!)

I know some Christians who don't try to convert anyone, believing that everyone must find their own path. I know others who don't believe that non-believers will necessarily be shunned from Paradise. And I know some who are more nominally Christian, and they aren't really very active in their faith. But I've had my share of people try to convert me, too. It's a rather broad spectrum.

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I am in the same boat and have thought the same. When I started going down the list of them I began to realize they don't believe either. They stay because of guilt and fear.

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Maybe they r trying to be respectful of your beliefs? Just think of it that way.

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They probably just don’t want you there with them!😉

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Maybe they just respect you for who you are.

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Why oh why are you worrying that a bunch of delusional "believers" aren't trying to convert you???!!
Enjoy the peace & quiet!

I wish they would not indoctrinate the children.
That bs is wrong.

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Many of the people I know and associate with call themselves liberal christian. A few I have asked to share more with me have given the sayings of things like hell is just a place a separation from god to a you will never exist in eternity. Yet, all of that thinking is because the ignore, never read (majority have never read), even NT, from beginning to end, or interpret things in their book. So, they also ignore that big part of their holy book called revelations where 'Jesus' says that he will spit the lukewarm believers out of his mouth.

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Consider yourself fortunate !

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Is it possible you have gained their respect? They may also be conflicted between keeping your friendship and alienating you. Same reason you don't try to enlighten them? Just speculation of course. Maybe also they see you as someone who can not be saved. They know they can't tell you anything you don't already know. Ooh, one more. They know you are highly intelligent, so to get into a discussion with you might make them doubt themselves. (Too riskey). I know you and I have discussed this but it's fun to try coming up with new theories.😎

@Omnedon I can be nice sometimes. 😉

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not everyone who self-identifies as a christian is a rabid evangelical. even the pope says atheists are not going to hell. i know plenty of such people and they don't try to change people; they just live by the tenets they believe are put forth by christianity, and amazingly, those tenets don't include persecuting gays, burning crosses, refusing to make wedding cakes for anyone but evangelicals, or even necessarily going to church regularly. then there are those whose christianity is of the delusional type, not like not wanting to walk under a ladder, which doesn't really have much of an effect on anyone's life, but such that (like someone i know) they won't apply for a job unless they hear personally from god that it's the right thing to do. your christians friends might not actually think you're going to hell. they might actually be minding their own business!

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"But on the other hand -- why are they not trying?"

In my experience this is very much sect driven based on the Dogma of their church.
Many of the more traditional and Liberal churches follow the proscription in Peter, by which they try exactly once, when they meet you, and may not try hard (because it is really up to the holy spirit). They will remain in your life awaiting the right moment that the holy spirit reveals (usually some personal crisis). If you reject at that point they will "wash the very dust from their feet", and go back to waiting for the spirit to present another opportunity.

Other sects are endlessly pushing for new adherents, JW for example are required to sell a certain number of watchtowers door to door, to draw in new members.

There is a very large range on that scale, from never to always.

I wonder what the JW KPIs are. Perhaps you can get kicked out for under-performing.

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I don't worry about it much. If any of them are too concerned with saving me I will stop talking to them so much. Also, keep in mind that couples have been broken up because the believer is almost in tears knowing that the loved one might die and be taken to an unknown place and punished forever for not following an invisible man who lives in the sky. This is what extreme religion does when we all should just be living our lives.

@Omnedon it certainly does. I’m only aware if it happening in Christianity.

It’s akin to both blackmail and terrorism.

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I would concern myself with my own life and let others live their own lives. Have you heard the adage live and let live?

@Omnedon where did you get this interfere deal? When you said "This is not intended as a criticism of them personally. But it's bothersome..." It is you who is critical and bothered by the way others live.

@Omnedon learn how to read first, it is YOU who is critical and bothered, YOU not them, so live your life without worrying about what othets may do or not do. Now you understand. You not them, just let go.

@Omnedon let it go already

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Try having your own beliefs and not being so concerned with beliefs of others.

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It may be that they are afraid that if they raise the issue, you may convert them.

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Well, perhaps after they meet you they think "geez, well he is just screwed" and then don't bother? 🙂

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Shhhhhhhh, please don't remind them! It took us this long to get them to cut that annoying shit out. lol

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You should say God will surely send them to Hell for not even attempting to spread the gospel to you when they had ample oppourtunity to.

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Ask them.

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All my friends in this small town are at least nominal Christians who seem to accept me as I am. I think most have the faith that God is loving and accepting of anyone who truly does not believe. But I think there may be a few who realize nonbelievers might find their testimonies annoying and fear that would drive them farther away, so they try to "witness" with their lives--and pray for us lost ones in secret.

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They may have different reasons. There are many different ways of being a Christian. But, you don't know how lucky you are that they are not trying to "save" you.

And for heaven's sake, don't be offended that they are not trying to control your life!

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