Hi there, Bigwavedave. For whatever reason I can't send a pm to you, so this is just an FYI that LiterateHiker even posted about ED "a woman's perspective" ... She must really hate men. ... I find it impossible to believe that she expects men to be attracted to her considering the stuff she posts!

What does Christmas mean to me????? When I was working it was a paid holiday. Now that I'm retired it is meaningless.

Christmas is nothing more than the Catholic Church's attempt to modify their holy days to fit with the midwinter festivals held by many so-called pagan religions. Christ, if he existed, was most likely born in February, not December according to most biblical scholars. Most of our so-called Christmas traditions are blatant ripoffs of Nordic, Old English, and Gallic traditions that predate Christianity's militant proselytizing into Western Europe. The holly wreath, Mistletoe, the Christmas Tree, the Yule log, Father Christmas, all are the Church's way to insinuate themselves into other religions. It's a common method of absorbing a native culture into their 'flock'.

Time for a bunch of morons to spend money they don't have to buy things for people that they don't need or appreciate.

Toys for the toy god time

Christmas doesen't mean anything to me. I avoid all the holiday nonsense.

I'll let Steve Martin take it from here.

I loved Christmas when I was growing up. My dad was a truck driver who made a living and not much more and my mom was a stay at home mom, but we always got a nice toy for Christmas. Dad hauled produce, and would always have apples, oranges, pecans by the bag full and I specifically remember one year getting a pair of cap pistols, a holster and a cowboy hat. It was never so much about religion. It was more about food and family and I remember those Christmasses fondly. I still don't think of Christmas as a religious holiday, and I enjoy it with my grandkids.