Note, I am not a believer, be it a believer in God or a believer in no God. I am an agnostic, so show me the proof one way or the other as in the Scientific Method, absence of proof is not proof of absence.

@AnneWimsey - So name calling is allowed on this website? I understand how cognitive dissonance works, the facts I cited disturb those who live in a conjured fantasy world.

Here I thought this was Agnostic Dot Com and not Atheist Dot Com where I would never participate.

But everyone with a fully functioning mind can see why you never get such a response. You launch ugly attacks against civil responses you reject out of hand. Living in an echo chamber may be comforting, but does not advance a person towards Enlightenment. Oy Veh

Best bit about the Dead Sea Scrolls is the Copper Scroll treasure map! Don’t think they’ve found the loot yet!

@motrubl4u - Gee, I did not know you were the arbiter of what constitutes an agnostic. Like it or not, I am because I reject beliefs like Atheism and Christianity. Show me some proof.

Go ahead and make snide remarks. Such only diminishes the speaker, not the victim of your actions.

Diminishes the validity of this website too. Hate is a disease that shortens your life.

@ExculpatoryLover "absence of proof is not proof of absence"

Maybe so but until there's real evidence to sipport the reality of a thing, the lack of evidence suggests that disbelief is the most reasonable stance to take. If good, solid evidence is brought forth then the issue can be re-evaluated at that time.

@Sgt_Spanky ~ Which is still a belief. It raises to fact when you produce the proof of no existence. Like I said, I am an agnostic, so I can not subscribe to your belief.

So shameful how believers behave. I have called no person names. Look within yourselves, name callers and liking the perpetrators. Those who name call and like name calling are no different from the Christians who oppressed non-believers. Oy Veh

@ExculpatoryLover a "troll" has a specific definition, one who is here to push an agenda & stir up trouble. If the shoe fits, you wear it! And if you would enjoy some Actual name-calling, I worked in a shipyard for 13 years......

This website accepts all points of view, why are you so intolerant? This is not YOUR website, you do not own it and do not determine how others comment. I haven't attacked anyone, you have and now you want to expand upon that? Go ahead and show your unladylike true self, I can more than take it. I served in the Armed Forces and two wars, was wounded and am ready for your best shot.

Sounds reasonable that it was born from a real person(s) who got turned into a myth. Like Babe Ruth.

Simply one of many possible postulations.

I highly respect Dr. Erhman, he has been in many ways a mentor. He has failed to prove that Jesus was a historical person, every bit of evidence he presents lacks actual proof. I think he is concerned about his Job when it comes to this as he works at a Christian University.

@DavidLaDeau Most Biblical historians think there is enough circumstantial evidence to deduce that an actual person, at the root of the myth, existed.

If this Jesus had been completely fabricated, they would have done a better job of it. Instead, there are inconsistencies-- not only in his life, but in supposedly fulfilling prophecies.

Inconsistencies and poorly fulfilled prophecies are not consistent with a god man that was fabricated out of thin air by a group of conspirators.

That the books of the New Testament show his evolution from being a mortal human (yet chosen by this God) to becoming the God of the universe himself, a couple of centuries later, is very consistent with a growing myth about an actual person in which the details were not agreed upon, or universally known, among various groups of early Christians.

At any rate, it does not matter. The actual Jesus (or whomever inspired the myth) was not what he was later made out to be. Turning him into God was a total fabrication that took decades, even centuries; and, in doing this, Pagan beliefs were borrowed from and expanded upon by the growing Church who saw this myth of Jesus as a powerful tool.

Humm - very interesting and makes as much sense as other interpretations.

The great flood and some of those instances you need to look at the poem Epic of Gilgamesh. Mesopotamia 2100 BC. Some "scholars" denote that the christian old testament borrowed from the Jewish bible (Tanak) which borrowed from the Epic of Gilgamesh. =

Also, the Greeks do have a myth whereby Zeus destroys humankind in a great flood. The Noah figure is named Deucalion and his wife Pyrrha. That isn't evidence that it is historical, but it is important that we keep our claims accurate.

@Storm1752 He may or may not have ever been born, but Christianity is all based on the words and teachings of Saul of Tarsus. Good old Apostle Paul. It is claimed that he wrote a big portion of the New Testament. If there ever was a Jesus and he was crucified everything after that event came about to give an explanation of "why." Even today people just keep on making shit up.

Show it to us...

@JorgeOchoa common name and naked archeologist did goodr research as to existence not so called deeds

There is NO evidence of existence...THAT'S it.

No bob! Noooooooooooo!

@Storm1752 jesus back then was like Smith today same with mary so there was a Jesus just not Christ