Thank you.

Currently "politicaly correct" means suppressing the speech and ideas of others. Just in case someones' "FEELINGS" will be hurt. NOTHING liberal in any of that.

Being polite is completely different. Too bad the left-polers continue to DEMAND the conflation of the two.

@Jacar Oh, good grief! What do you think is the point behind being polite? It's to show consideration for the feelings of the people around you. There is absolutely no difference between being polite and being politically correct. The argument you have dragged out is typical of people who are too lazy and inconsiderate to try to hide their racism, sexism, and other bigotries.
It looks really bad and ignorant when an evangelical trots out these tidbits of douchery, using "it's in the Bible" as rationalization for their hate speech, but there is truly no excuse for an atheist to do this. You are truly proof that atheism and rational thought do not always go hand in hand.

@Deb57 There is a slight difference. Being polite is appreciated, being PC is demanded. PC culture has good intentions and it's a great idea to set social boundaries so people are aware of what is off limits. But when it goes too far, it can stifle creativity and puts people on edge, anxious about every word they speak in public.

Your interaction just now with @jacar is actually an exceptional example of another difference. You were not being polite when you said he is being irrational and strongly implied that he is full of racism, sexism, and bigotries. However, you didn't insult his race, gender, age, looks... so you were being PC. The fact that you can treat someone with political correctness while being impolite and unkind means that there is a significant difference. Granted, he wasn't polite to you either but he was PC, unless left-poler is an non-PC offensive term I'm unaware of.

@RoboGraham I have my own reasons for not being polite to Jacar. And I see what you're saying about feeling that being PC is demanded, but when it's speech we're talking about, isn't a demand as easy to ignore as a request?

@Deb57 Well no I don't think so. A demand is much more noticeable than a request and the consequences for ignoring a demand are more intense than they are for ignoring a request.

Here's what it comes down to. We (those of us who are decent that is) are polite to others automatically until they give us a reason to stop treating them politely. However, even when they do something that makes them undeserving of courtesy, we still would not treat them un-PC. You wouldn't go insulting someone based on race, age, gender etc... even if they have behaved badly because you are a decent person, but you would treat them impolitely if they deserve it.

So there is a major difference. Politeness is social lubrication. We use it to get along well with others but it isn't a requirement. Politically correctness on the other hand is mandatory. It's function is to protect vulnerable groups and set social boundaries. I'm all for it unless it goes too far and creates an atmosphere in which you are afraid to be yourself and speak your mind or crack a joke.

@RoboGraham so... what if speaking your mind means making racial slurs or denying the holocaust happened to my best friend's Bubbe who just showed you the numbers on her arm? What if cracking that joke means you're mocking a disabled person? Is your expectation that I won't outspokenly judge you for that? Because i would.

@Deb57 As you should. Those are great examples of PC not going too far. That stuff is exactly why we have PC. Examples of out of control PC would be like if people call you a bigot for criticizing some of the more barbaric aspects of islam because muslims are minorities therefore it's un-PC to say anything critical of them. Another example would be someone calling you a sexist for enjoying and laughing at the latest Dave Chappelle stand up because some of his jokes involve woman.

@RoboGraham I agree with you on that. In my opinion, all religions are fair game for criticism and ridicule. Dave Chappelle is an asshole, and his "jokes" about women and the LGBTQ community are unfunny and in horrible taste. All the same, I am against censorship, and would not shut him up any more than I would censor racist Michael Richards. It is my hope that his stances dramatically affect his popularity and hence, his income.

@Deb57 yes for sure, let's take every opportunity we have to criticize religion.

Dave is one of the funniest comedians to have ever lived. In my opinion anyway. I think it's possible to be amused by his un-PC Jokes but not actually agree with what he is saying. That's why it bothers me when people try to use PC to shut down comedy. I can see why you would find his material to be in bad taste and I'm glad you don't support censorship. I don't think he will be losing any popularity any time soon though.

@BookDeath Thank you. As an alt-whiter, I appreciate you succinct assessment of another human's true experience.
Too bad your current "ideas' will preclude you learn more about reality.

Time to do the reading and learning.

Which parts of what he said do you disagree with?

@RoboGraham all of it, you can be provocative but not for the sake of just being controversial, this dude shits on everybody including his parents, because it benefits his ego.

Do the research. This insanity is in universities across the US, Canada and Europe. Just merely suggesting the "true" narrative is wrong results in expulsion.

@Jacar i reaffirm what I said, even if you don't like it.

@Mofo1953 So what is it about his shit that makes you not want to buy it?

@RoboGraham i said it in my reply to your previous comment.

@Mofo1953 Whoops I overlooked it. So he's got an ego, he's provocative, controversial and disagrees with his parents but is he wrong?

@RoboGraham mostly yes

@Mofo1953 Well I see I'm not going to get any specifics. I didn't notice anything particularly subversive.

@RoboGraham this alt right neo nazi is a piece of shit who craps on dead people thus he is fucking wrong in everything hateful he spews. Specific enough for you?

@Mofo1953 I don't care for alt-right people either. But you still have only pointed out that he is a bad person rather than attempting to refute any of the points that he made. So, no that's not specific at all.

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@RoboGraham how sad for you.

@Mofo1953 It does make me sad when people refuse to think rationally.

@RoboGraham don't be too hard on yourself dude, you didn't even post the crap you're irrationally defending.

@Mofo1953 I'm not even defending it. I'm just pointing out that you are totally dismissing every thing he said because you have a negative perception of him. It's the ad hominem fallacy.

I thought perhaps we could have a constructive discussion about the substance of the video but it appears that you are not willing, or not capable, of doing so.

@RoboGraham you're absolutely correct, I don't want to continue this pointless exchange with you and your defense of the indefensible.

@Mofo1953 Likewise

Totally agree!

To be fair, courtesy was always a respect freely given. Political correctness is demanded.

@brentan To be fair, basic respect was not freely given thus political correctness was born. The white male patriarchy considers this an affront to their power to not be able to denigrate everyone not them with impunity.

@Killtheskyfairy Point taken. I should have said 'in ts nature'.

That is not correct. Politeness is not the same as the "political correct" behavior being demanded by the left-polers.

@Killtheskyfairy Feminist Horse shit

@Jacar too real for you? Poor baby!

@Jacar I have not heard the term "left-polers" before, but I assume you mean it to be offensive. Political Correctness is, in fact, the modern equivalent of courtesy. Only a hate-filled regressive nationalist would refuse to acknowledge it.

@Jacar I see from your profile that you are open to meeting women. Good luck with that as long as you are speaking to women in offencive tones. You should probably stick to the Jeezus-based dating sites.

@BitFlipper It's not very courteous of you to accuse @jacar of being a hate-filled regressive nationalist just because he disagrees with you that courtesy and PC are equivalent. Your comment was PC because you didn't insult his gender, age, race etc... but you were discourteous in how you spoke to him. So It's possible to be PC and discourteous simultaneously. So with your own logic, you being discourteous to him means that you were not PC. But you wouldn't do that would you. Only a hate-filled regressive nationalist would do that.

Therefore, there is a difference between courtesy and PC. Which means you called him a hate-filled regressive nationalist for not acknowledging something that is incorrect.

@RoboGraham oh give it a rest.

@BitFlipper Am I wrong?

@RoboGraham I didn't insult him because he disagrees with me. I insulted him because he's being an asshole.

@BitFlipper
Yeah he is being an asshole. Calling people leftpole, whatever that means. Still, you treated him politically correctly but were also discourteous at the same time. Which means that they aren't the same thing.

So let's have a look at this. You said in your original post- "The thing we call "political correctness" is the same thing we used to call "courtesy"." Which, as I've shown you, is incorrect. He corrected you by saying- "That is not correct. Politeness is not the same as the "political correct" behavior being demanded by the left-polers." You followed that up by responding- " Political Correctness is, in fact, the modern equivalent of courtesy. Only a hate-filled regressive nationalist would refuse to acknowledge it."

So did you not say some uncalled for discourteous stuff just because he disagreed with you?

@RoboGraham I'm going to say some discourteous stuff to you if you don't let go of this.

@BitFlipper Feel free. That's not going to bother me.

It sounds to me like you are unable to refute any of the points I am making. You are also unwilling to ponder what I'm saying to you with an open mind and realize that you are in the wrong on this one. So you are threatening to resort to just saying mean things. That's not a very mature or rational response.

Maybe....if self-employed, not in thrall. Think Olivia in Trading Places.

@AnneWimsey Things were much better for them before the prohibition. Now they are at the mercy of pimps, johns, and cops.

@RoboGraham It’s why we need the Netherlands model of legal, regulated and protected.

Free women. How is that wrong? i will never denigrate a women for the work they must do to survive. Only assholes, and the profoundly ignorant do such shit. Don't you agree?

@Jacar Sure I agree. My comment was referring to how in the video he explains that it was prostitutes who began doing things that women weren't allowed to do in the olden days but now do all the time like go out in public without a male chaperone or wear clothing that shows more than just the face.