Religion has always been used as a tool to control the population. Atheism or agnosticism are seen as a threat and that is no doubt why these are rejected by so many. People seem to like being brainwashed into thinking that everything is OK if they pay homage to their God. And even in spite of overwhelming evidence to the contrary they will still cling to their beliefs. If something bad happens then they say God is either testing us or punishing us for God only knows what reason; although the self appointed spokesmen for God will be anxious to tell us, when they have no idea except their own prejudices. The question is why are the majority of people the slaves to this kind of thinking which usually benefits those who have no morals or religion whatsoever.
It’s much easier to have everything mapped out in a prescribed manner for you than having to think it out for yourself. The majority of people find it extremely comforting to follow the rules of religion which they generally learn from their parents at an early age, and it takes a strong mind to question it. It takes personal courage for those who go against the perceived wisdom of family and community and step outside “the tent”, and risk ostracism. Religions use indoctrination as a tool to control, yes, but they do it in such a way that those who are indoctrinated don’t realise that they are, believing it to be truth. Religions portray atheism, or a lack of belief in any religion, to be an aberration from the norm, and that is why we are sometimes regarded with hostility and suspicion by believers.
"The question is why are the majority of people the slaves to this kind of thinking"
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I call this the "lens of faith", once applied your worldview is through that lens of faith. Afterwards anything you experience is interpreted by you through that lens. Get a new Job God blessed you, lose a Job God has other plans for you, gain a child God has blessed you, lose a Child God has some unknown unknowable plan for that Child.
To me one of the worst aspects of religion is childhood indoctrination. Like most of my generation was raised, believing by default because all the authorities of your childhood do.
This is akin to gluing that lens to the eye itself, like those raised in abuse see that as normative until they see others who do not live that way.
Non abuse seems abnormal to such folks, so too does non religion seem abnormal to these people.
Some of us with strong critical thinking skills free ourselves, sometimes this takes decades because the indoctrination makes you blind to the lens of faith you're wearing. You do not see how irrational your belief is, it seems quite valid to you when your wearing the lens.
Are you sure the majority are believers?
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@genessa Yes.
The human default is to believe first and question belief later, if at all.
We evolved that way, safer to believe the noise in the bushes is a lion than to go see.
When polled here in the USA, its 75-80% believe in "something" they call God, a large subset of that is christian, half of that is Catholic the rest sub divided on Dogma sprinkled throughiout the denominations.
@Davesnothere not everyone who identifies with a religion is religious. Checking a box on a survey doesn't nake one a believer.
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...or you are living in the ‘feeling!’
@genessa You could discount all the traditionalists who attend for some social reason, but when we take polls its 75-80 believe in some notion of God.
@genessa, @Freedompath and if you're not, you backslid!
@Davesnothere I will keep my eye out for a recent poll...but that 75-80% seems high to me! Out of 6 people (my neighbors and me), 2 are non-believers one sits on the fence and the other 3, believers.
@Freedompath Was a recent pew poll, but I may be off in my recollection, but the inverse has been polled too, crying 20% are non believers, which inverts to 80% too.
niether poll seperates "pusedo" believers, traditionalists and so on, it just asks do you believe in God.
@Davesnothere if i'm not what? i have nothing to which to backslide anyway; i wasn't raised religious and i sure as hell wasn't raised christian.
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@genessa Don't know why that tagged you, I was responding to the other person.
@Davesnothere ah okay. fair enough. glitches happen.
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Because it saves the effort of having to think things though for yourself. Laziness is the second greatest force in human life and history after boredom.
Fear of the unknown has to fit somewhere!
@Freedompath True, there are many reasons really.
Humans evolved as "herd animals" which instinctually gathered in groups for safety. We are still animals and subject to our animal instincts. Many people still feel a need to belong to a group and only feel safe and secure if they do. The one positive thing religion provides is a sense of belonging, which satisfies the animal instincts to belong to a group. The problem is that instincts do not involve a rational thinking process. They (instincts) worked great for our ancestors out in the bush to help us survive, but in modern society they hold us back. Our technology has progressed much faster than our ability to adapt (instinctually) to it.
Nobody ever went broke overestimating how stupid people can be especially in large groups.
Most people are like a Bull's Cock, they just go where they are shoved and it's much easier for most people to just go where they are shoved. Take away the magic man in the sky and you would be forced to deal with reality and reality can be very harsh indeed.
Haha, "Like a bull's cock." Cant say I heard that one
Think of religions as fan clubs or societies--something like being a loyal fan of your favorite sports team or a member of the Kiwanis, Rotary or Lions club. One wonders if the majority of Americans are more passionate about their favorite team on any given Sunday than they are about going to church and paying their dues in the pews.
We are fortunate that the establishment of the United States was drawn largely along religious lines with Quakers, Catholics, Puritans, Lutherans, Baptists, Anglicans, and so on, all vying for a seat at the table. And so in order to protect the rights of each, two of the most critical political compromises in history were made: the first was to draft the Establishment Clause to the First Amendment, and the second was the decision to leave any mention of the term "god" out of our Constitution.
The funny thing is men and women have known it is BS for centuries but the masses still fall for it. I now think it is not the religion that really did it. If there was no religion, the men and women with vulnerable minds and voids in life would have found something else.
Reminds me of my beloved late sister. Very talented since elementary school. Multiple gold medalist, double Ph.D in foreign lands, wrote 14 books, spoke 7 languages, traveled to 23 countries, taught for 30 years but deeply religious, 330 million Gods were not enough,, so she started pursuing Russian and Latin American saints. Parents and siblings were Agnostic. Don't know where she got it. I am not sure if it was the religion that gripped her. If it was not religion, she would have followed a medicine man in the Amazon. Very strange.
That's why they refer to themselves as "sheep" needing a shepherd.
Why are they "slaves" to this kind of thinking?
I think of the Jefferson Bible, excised of all superfluidities to include only the distilled words of whoever wrote them-- possibly Josephus himself, almost certainly not a human being called 'Jesus...'
Some of it's good stuff, one must admit if critical thinking is momentarily set aside.
Forget 'Paul' for a second, and the 'Epistles' by scoundrel dogs who twisted and warped them to suit their agendas. And the countless con artists and interpreters like Augustine, who froze them into a dogma.
The core 'sayings' are pretty cool!
Inspiring, even.
If people are "slaves," or alternately "sheep," it is to their inner desire to 'do the right thing' and 'be good people' at peace with themselves.
Whatever religion you're talking about--Hindu, Christian, even Muslim--it's that core impulse which compels them to collective action.
What alternatives do they have?
That fundamentally decent desire is corrupted by those who use their charismatic skills to sway others, and
who themselves are taught from the cradle these lies.
Worse, in their own minds they BECOME 'Jesus,' encouraged by the unconditional, unquestioning approval of his or her listeners.
By continual repetition of these sanctioned, 'sacred' words, these men and women--past and present--feed in themselves an unquenchable egomania. THEIR own words become in their own minds 'sacred' and unquestionable.
Despite the fact these people are of course flawed, with their own
prejudices,
misconceptions,
blind spots, and
mental, psychological, and emotional shortcomings.
Some, to be sure, deliberately manipulate, but I think mostly they believe their own erroneous thinking.
So, something inherently 'good' is channeled in a necessarily 'bad' direction, because those in positions of authority are not 'saints,' but very, very, unavoidably, human themselves.
Answer: such people are slaves to that kind of thinking because they have been brainwashed by other such slaves. The idea that they could have been told lies is beyond them.
If you have ever felt a strong emotion, perhaps from a stirring piece of music, just that can be incredibly uplifting & seductive. They get a "high" like that at least several times a day from their religious feelings. To try & reduce it to dry intellectual stuff is just futile, never gonna happen.
Good point!
‘Always’ is a bit sweeping. I assume you have evidence to support or is this an opinion?
Just take a look at the rest of western civilized society. They have gotten ridden of such baggage. Although i am from the USA, are we to stupid to drop the nonsense? Everyone loves to say USA #1! No.1 at what? Once upon a time we were, but no longer. Hell the last thing we was no.1 at was obesity and we lost that to Mexico a few years ago! So until we take this government back, we are the ass end of most countries jokes. Something needs to be done and I have a plan.
In my way of thinking of the three Abrahamic religions,Christianity is the worst.Being a former Catholic I may be prejudice for the one I know the best.The Chistians seem to be still fighting the crusades particularity in the middleeast. Your soldiers for Christ huddled in prayer before going on a killing rampage.The uncountable witch burnings,the spannish inquistions child rapist,up to the recent past with bogus preachers,faith healers,homophobic haters on and on the nefarious practices of so called holy people.On the otherhand there are those who I call true followers Jesus teachings,my mom and others RIP.Anyway thinking about it all there is so much doctrine that is illogical such as original sin to all the jewish fairy tales talking snakes and such, science denial,praying for the rapture,72 Virgins.As I signoff here I want to explain my user name ( they were tripping ) hallucinatory plants have been used knowing and not knowing thoughout human history.Think that those in a dream or so called enlighed state of mind misinterpret their thoughts and visions as divine or mystical.therefore religion was dreamed up by people not aware theywereripping
I think it's because, ultimately(indoctrination aside), people want to feel special. They want to believe that there is more to their existence than the very small probability that they should exist at all. They want to believe there is a reason or purpose for them being here. And they want that purpose prescribed to them, instead of creating that purpose for themselves. Also I think it makes them feel good to be besties with the "creator of the universe."
Yeah, the whole "god is testing us" thing is insane. I've never found that to be moral. You would think anyone that reads about god and satan ruining Job's life because they have a bet going about his faith, would turn away and wonder wtf is happening here. But no, they only use it to reinforce their own. They think because he is the "almighty creator", he can do what he wants and it's moral; but that just isn't true. There are many other moments that I would disagree with god's "morality", but I've rambled on enough. At the end of it all, I really don't know why they think this way.
Many simply don't want to know. Try asking people this. "If you held a god or spiritual belief that you thought was benifitial, would you want to know if it wasn't true?"
I hope you are surprised as I was to find how many told me they would not want to know the truth.
Many are indoctrinated as I was as a child and really did think it was all true. That Saran made things look like there was not great flood etc. so thst we would doubt and get taken by Satan.
Because you are indoctrinated on some religion or supernatural since you are a child.
Religion becomes part of your identity, part of who you are, most of people would rather loose their citizenship over religion.
It is difficult to abandon some pillar of your identity, it generates emotional responses because it is in the definition of your "self".
So talking against religion won't trigger reasoning on people, will trigger self preservation, and self preservation is above all logic. It needs a lot of study and training to be able to control self preservation instincts.
every interaction with religious people that triggers this self preservation, all the discussion and logic are irrelevant past that point. That is why the confront, name calling and being aggressive can be justified, can be you venting or even being logical against religion, but is useless to convince the person.
The only way to show that religion is bullshit is to be able to communicate ideas without triggering the self preservation instinct, and let the person conclude it by itself. Neil deGrasse Tyson is amazing in doing this for example.
First you build an alternative identity that does not need religion, then the person will be able to leave part of their identity for some new one that works better.
Excellent point!
Maybe, they feel like they need something to hold on to! They would be adrift, if not for their religion! You see people carrying a bible in their cars, sometimes on their person...they must need something to hold on to?
Religion... pure and faultless is this: to help widows and orphans in need and avoiding worldly corruption. James 1:27
How is helping widows and orphans why avoiding worldly corruption a way to control people?
OR, why are you using the word "religion " to label something other than helping widows and orphans while avoiding worldly corruption?
Do you not have a belief that widows and orphans should be helped?
Morning Fred, been missing you.
I would say that was a ruse...
@Freedompath I am not following what and why you think something is a ruse. If referring to the biblical defination of religion as I posted. How is that a trick? Biblical text has been around for at least almost 2000 years giving the defination as I posted. Biblical text also currently has achieved a world record for being most copied text of its kind.
So, where is there other reference that gives a 2000 year old defination for religion that has been copied and distributed as much as biblical text?
@Word maybe it started out like that...wanting to help widows and orphans, but if I can recall my knowledge (from long past), that is not how I was indoctrinated! I was taught it was to save me from ‘hell,’ and sin! Over my 40 yrs in the Church, ‘widows and orphans’ were never stressed!
@Freedompath yes, there are those people that use biblical text as a means of controlling not as a means of education.
@Word They see it as ‘teaching.’ I thought that was considered education? Like all the Religious ‘Little Schools’ all over the South, That teach scripture with their reading, writing and arithmetic..
@Freedompath It would be a long explination, but there is a lot that could be taught using biblical text that has not been taught because those "in control " want to only teach things that keep them in control.
If a person studies the saying of Jesus character and his parables then it could be understood that there is some biblical intent to with hold knowledge for the purposes of keeping people enslaved to and by ignorance so that the "educated " can control the wage slave laborers. It is exactly how Masonic lodge secret religion racist devil worshippers are currently organized and operate, hence this too is how the American capitalism wage slave labor society is currently set up here in America since the European invasion of 1492 and the Masonic lodge secret religion racist devil worshippers freedom from England July 4th, 1776.
@Freedompath The biblical text follows out of Egypt and most do not understand nor know the connections that the biblical text actually saying in new testiment that the Egyptian stories come true.
The LORD Almighty will bless them, saying, "Blessed be Egypt my people, Assyria my handiwork, and Israel my inheritance." Isaiah 19:25
The "Lord" of Israel was Egyptian.
As to Osiris of Egypt:
But he did not just represent death in the physical world, also rebirth or what you may call being born again.
a) John 3:3
Jesus replied, "Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again."
As to Osiris of Egypt:
He was married to his sister Isis, who was goddess of the sky and love. Isis and Osiris had a child Horus, who is believed by many to be a reincarnation of Osiris.
John 14:9 9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?
Osiris is usually identified as the God of the afterlife, the underworld and the dead. He is also called the King of eternity, King of the living, Master of souls; He who appears as ram in Mendes, and the Sovereign of Amenti.(1) Another curious title that you will find for Osiris is the “Morning Star.”
This same Morning Star of Osiris found in the Book of the Dead, appears to be the same Morning Star that we can find in the Book of Revelation, where Saint John says, “I will give him the Morning Star (Rev. ii. 29).
@Freedompath I could not put a second comment on previous post. The uneducated with no interest in mystical traditions and the esoteric may regard Ancient Egypt as little more than a place of pagan worship, strange hieroglyphics, and monuments erected by thousands of Hebrew slaves. But those more learned, especially those having undertaken the initiative rituals of Freemasonry, will see a link between the Egyptian metaphysical tradition and modern mystery schools, of which Freemasonry is one. www dot gaia dot com /article/ancient-egypt-and-freemasonry
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@Word I don’t wish to be rude, but you would need to engage someone who has interest in this now...I don’t. I spent many years doing the religious thing, (complete with anthropology/archeology and all the religions) and now I only enjoy the religious part in passing! I have had all the religion I can take for this lifetime. Good luck finding someone who will discuss your ideas!