Those who are happy with the health insurance they have from their employer and consequently oppose universal health care are simply ill-informed and some than a little foolish. Here are facts that they are filing to take into account:
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The USA is the ONLY industrialized country in the entire world which does NOT have a functioning system of universal healthcare which provides good service at lower cost of the individual, the family, and the country. ANYONE who questions our ability to create and successfully mange such a system is, in effect, questioning the intelligence and competence of the American people.
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A universal healthcare system would (a) have no premiums, co-pays, personal costs for lab work, procedures, or medical equipment, no huge unexpected costs. There will be no bankruptcies caused by huge medical costs (now around 500,000 per year). The costs to employing business and to state and federal governments will be much, much lower than medical costs are today.
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While people may be happy with the employer-provided health insure today. Those covered by that insurance are either ignorant of, or are choosing to ignore important facts. There is ongoing collusion b between the health insurance companies, hospitals, medical labs, physicians’ groups, medical equipment provides, drug companies and the insurance companies. The insurance companies allow all of the service providers to artificially inflate their prices, and simply pass those gouging prices on to the employers and to employees, themselves. And, they add on large additional costs to provide a large profit margin for themselves. The focus is on ensuring that everybody in the chain gets financially well in the process.
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The costs of universal healthcare would cut out all of those artificially inflated costs and make good healthcare truly available to all people. Businesses will benefit in having fewer employee work hours lost to illness, and from not having to create an internal bureaucracy to negotiate and manage healthcare. Unions and employee organizations would benefit by getting rid of healthcare negotiation, and focusing entirely on wages and salaries, working conditions, and retirement systems. That should result in higher salaries and wages.
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Yes, somebody is going to have to pay for universal healthcare. Most countries do it by charging a fee or tax of around &.0 percent of all income (not just wages and salaries) from the citizen, and a matching 7.0 percent of salaries and wages paid out by employers. That fee to the citizen in most countries has a cap on the annual income level, such as $250,000 Yes. People would have to pay something—nothing is free. But, the overall costs to people, companies, and nation would be SIGNIFICANTLY lower than current costs today.
People can be wary of universal healthcare due to unethical demagogues trying to attach a negative label, such as “socialism” to it. And, they can choose to just listen to partisan propaganda and not do their homework to obtain the facts. But anyone who chooses to do that is simply being self-destructively foolish.
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Seems the almost half of the voters think that they are millionaires in waiting!!!
They always vote against their best interests, thinking they will be part of the winning team!!!
The reality is they are rewarded by these obstructionist republican fascists with an EPA Super Fund site nearby as their reward, then think they are living the high life on the way to their rapture which is actually a rupture upon our society and culture!!!
of-the-mountain
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Feb 23, 2020
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Truth, but you can't fix stupid. The idea of employers providing health care was a bad idea to begin with, plus employers would have more money for salaries. What do you expect from a nation full of ignorant hillbillies who would elect someone as vile as our current President?
Sticks48
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Feb 22, 2020
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@MissKathleen Why boo?
Yes, they are moronic idiots who always vote against their best interests, seems they think they are all millionaires in waiting, they are offered the moon, hence given the closet EPA super site to enjoy as their reward for supporting these obstructionist fascist!!!
Considering the amount of time it took from Clinton in the late 90s to Obama in the early 00s, to even get a watered down, comprimise filled bill of any sort, and a a congress thats demonstrably unwilling to take on health care providers or pharmaceuticals, i think its fair to say that health care will be state by state, not federal. A visionary President has very little actual clout.
MarkiusMahamius
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Feb 22, 2020
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Just because some did not accomplish it at different times in the past does not mean that it cannot be accomplished. It means that the approaches did not work and that the selling of the concept was not sufficiently well crafteted.
@wordywalt dream on
@MarkiusMahamius I will.
Thanks for sharing your perspective. Universal healthcare is indeed a complex issue with valid points on both sides. While some may oppose universal healthcare due to satisfaction with their employer-provided health insurance, it's crucial to acknowledge the broader context.
The absence of a functioning universal healthcare system in the USA is a significant issue, especially compared to other industrialized nations.
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This is nice and shit, but you missed the most salient point. Health insurance from thier employer is a paid benifit (some of its pretty fucking good coverage, too, and is worth quite a bit) and unless you can sit down with someone's own numbers and personally show them - in thier budget not some generic it covers everyone analysis - you won't convince them of anything.
That's not being misinformed, that's looking out for your own families safety net with a skeptical eye.
1of5
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Feb 22, 2020
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You are foolishly overlooking two facts. If companies and employee organizations do not have to negotiate for healthcare, that leaves much more money on the table for wages and working conditions. That would lead to higher wages and good healthcare. Second. universal healthcare IS looking out for the well being of people and their families. It will result in better overall healthcare at much lower cost. You have obviously not read what I was saying in a careful, logical manner, but simply letting a pre-existing bias take over.
1of5:
@wordywalt how myopic. Those folks have already negotiated for better coverage than you're proposing. You think they should just give that up on the promise of a canidate? That's idiotic in the extreme and ignores economic reality at the individual level.
Better overall healthcare for others by reducing the healthcare these people already get. That you can't understand that tells me volumes about your thought proccess on this.
I have read what you wrote with, imo, more thought and actual knowledge than you did. I've had terrific insurance before and believe me, you don't want to give it up for something lesser.
@1of5 Yeah, they have negotiated a plan with a company that is costing you and the company a damned sight more than it should, and will not pay for every possible valid medical treatment that you and your family need. You are also assuming that universal healthcare will produce results less satisfactory than lemployer plans. That is pure horse manure. Whose thought processes are Poor!
1of5:
@wordywalt yes, it does cost more than it should. No shit, Sherlock, that's 1 reason it needs to change.
Medicare does not cover everything that you and your family will ever need. Holy fuck you have no clue what your talking about. Talk about chutzpah in calling others ill-informed.
These folks have insurance that they know the cost of (no canidate can tell them that), how it's funded (until it goes through Congress you don't know how it will be funded and are just guessing - 4% tax increase to go with reduced coverage?), and what it does and doesn't cover (theirs does cover more than Medicare does).
I want universal healthcare, but you are, and i can't stress this enough, asking people to literally give up either money or coverage that they literally put thier livelihoods on the line to get, and can't wrap your head around the fact that what you want will move them backwards instead of forward.
There's 1 thing I can gaurantee you about universal health care in this country, and that is it will only vaugly resemble what any canidate is promising. A bird in the hand is better than 2 in the bush, especially when you've no idea what the birds in the bush actually are and theres a whole section of people already plucking the feathers from them.
@1of5 When I spoke of universal healthcare, I certainly di not mean what Medicare is today. You seem to assume that I do not know what Medicare does and not do. Your assumption is dead wrong. I have been on Medicare for over 17 years. What I am talking about is the thorough and good healthcare system we need to build. Your air of superiority does not cut it.
Well said ; very concise- I purchased through the gov market
and it was HEAD & SHOULDERS above any company ins.(they covered dental & eye); was comprehensive - didnt have crazy annual increases; was excepted by most everyone; and
it was SIMPLE. It also covered prevention!!!!!
I was offered company coverage - and it was a joke. The
deductable was 1 ; 3 ; or $5,000.00-no eye / no dental . There
was a book listing the "existing conditions"- everybody said
it was a scam with 60%of thier needs falling under that category. Another thing - the gov. policy kept track of my
purchases of vitamins and other health expenses > which was credited to my account. There is no comparison-I could contact medical staff for advice/I could always reach
service- phone or internet. I understood the ins. ; not being
led by a ring in my nose.
Every other utility in our society has abused the public trust ; medical ins. are taking advantage worst of all.
Thanks
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