I think you're right that these guys know exactly what they're doing. It's the height of cynicism but I think it's also nihilism parading as its opposite. I would really hate to see life through their eyes.

Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. (The bible character jesus going along with the old testament)

Matthew 3:7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:
But when the Pharisees and Sadducees came to be baptized,, he said to them, you generation of vipers!
Who warned to you to flee the wrath to come?

3:9 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.
Don't say to yourselves, "Abraham is our father."
God can make these stones into children of Abraham.
3:10 And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Every tree that doesn't produce good fruit will be cut down and cast into the fire.

Matthew 10:21 And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death.

Matthew 18: 8-9 Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire.
And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.

And this only in one of many new testament books that you erroneously claim was not as violent as the Torah or Old Testament.

@Mofo1953 As I said, Jesus was a Jewish preacher (if such a person existed)and as such obviously believed in the Jewish laws. The writings attributed to his teaching obviously reflected this but you certainly know your bible. Some good stuff there but it doesn't compare with the genocide in the old testament

@Moravian really? What about the apocalypse? The death of all humanity is not bad enough for you? I don't give a pass to any parts of the bible or any other religious books chock full of ignorance, and criminal stupidity.

@Moravian The infinite torture of billions in infinite burning screaming hell fire is not as bad as the old testament?

@Mofo1953 Are you referring to the book of revelations ?. It is thought to be the ramblings of someone who has ingested a psychedelic substance, probably magic mushrooms, nothing more.

@Moravian it's part of the new testament, how do you know the idiots who wrote the torah weren't impaired either, all that crap seems equally or even more suspect than your theory

@Mofo1953 Not my theory. Some years ago I watched a BBC documentary on the book of revelations with my then girlfriend who was a regular churchgoer. I wasn't that interested but she kept insisting I watch. I remember saying "probably someone wrote this after eating magic mushrooms". At the end of the programme the presenter said. "we think this was written under the influence of psychedelic "magic" mushrooms. Really made my day.
As for the stories in the old testament. Entertaining mythology.

@Moravian right, so because the bbc had a similar opinion you're proud. What about evidence? Not defending anything inbthe bible, mind you, but yours and the bbc's are just opinions not facts.

@Mofo1953 have you read the book of revelations ?. Would anyone in a normal state of mind write stuff like that. No I am not proud of anything. It just tickled me, that's all.

@Moravian I've read the bible and all religious books, they all suck ass. But you have no evidence to back your opinion, most bible scholars attribute to John the apostle as the writer of revelations. I do not believe any apostle lived long enough to write the scrolls which are carbon rated past their expected lifetime of the times. I am careful not to take positions that seem extracted from my ass, like the mushroom theory of yours.

@Moravian facts and accuracy always matter.

@Mofo1953 I agree but I think with the writings which make up the bible and other holy books it appears to be more about interpretation than truth and accuracy. People make them mean whatever thery want to suit their purpose.

@Moravian true, but those are infinite interpretations of infinite readers, and true for any book, really. That doesn't make, for example, The Godfather, as a book written by a criminal maffioso which could be the interpretation of many readers. Facts and accuracy clearly establishes that the writer was Mario Puzzo.

You are right. The bible god/Yahweh/Jesus is just pretend, a made up fictional character. That's why I say "the bible."

I never know whether to blame God for being an awful fucker or blame the gays for never giving up their evil ways.

Technically fundamental christians DO think those are abortions, which is why birth control is not allowed by many of them. In the 70's the FDA decided the extreme side effects of birth control were easily mitigated by lowering the dose, that however, means some fertilizations occur but plantation is generally still avoided. So birth control went from just a "allow the lord to give us as many as he wants" to "now its a form of abortion" to christian fundys

Interesting

The morning star is really just the planet Venus.

@Questioner1879 I don't know exactly how to explain in detail, but there is connection of these terminology pertaining to Lucifer, morning star etc.

@Questioner1879 The biblical text follows out of Egypt and most do not understand nor know the connections that the biblical text actually saying in new testiment that the Egyptian stories come true.

The LORD Almighty will bless them, saying, "Blessed be Egypt my people, Assyria my handiwork, and Israel my inheritance." Isaiah 19:25

The "Lord" of Israel was Egyptian.

As to Osiris of Egypt:
But he did not just represent death in the physical world, also rebirth or what you may call being born again.

a)   John 3:3 

Jesus replied, "Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again."

As to Osiris of Egypt:
He was married to his sister Isis, who was goddess of the sky and love. Isis and Osiris had a child Horus, who is believed by many to be a reincarnation of Osiris.

John 14:9 9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?

Osiris is usually identified as the God of the afterlife, the underworld and the dead. He is also called the King of eternity, King of the living, Master of souls; He who appears as ram in Mendes, and the Sovereign of Amenti.(1) Another curious title that you will find for Osiris is the “Morning Star.”

This same Morning Star of Osiris found in the Book of the Dead, appears to be the same Morning Star that we can find in the Book of Revelation, where Saint John says, “I will give him the Morning Star (Rev. ii. 29).

@Questioner1879 I could not put a second comment on previous post. The uneducated with no interest in mystical traditions and the esoteric may regard Ancient Egypt as little more than a place of pagan worship, strange hieroglyphics, and monuments erected by thousands of Hebrew slaves. But those more learned, especially those having undertaken the initiative rituals of Freemasonry, will see a link between the Egyptian metaphysical tradition and modern mystery schools, of which Freemasonry is one. www dot gaia dot com /article/ancient-egypt-and-freemasonry

Lord of host Lucifer the devil leading the Masonic lodge secret religion racist devil worshippers in the establishment of the mark of the beast 666 identification for taxation and government control. No justice for the innocent, more children can be trained to speak and act abused to wrongfully prosecute innocent people especially those that oppose there Masonic lodge secret religion racist devil worship "my teacher made me touch her p.p ". Take the original indigenous inhabitants of their land call it America call them such as Mexicans, Indians and native Americans

@Questioner1879 Lucifer (UK: /ˈluːsɪfər/ LOO-si-fər; US: /-sə-/; 'light-bringer' is a Latin name for the planet Venus in its morning appearances, and is often used for mythological and religious figures associated with the planet. Due to the unique movements and discontinuous appearances of Venus in the sky, mythology surrounding these figures often involved a fall from the heavens to earth or the underworld. Interpretations of a similar term in the Hebrew Bible, translated in the King James Version as "Lucifer", led to a Christian tradition of applying the name Lucifer, and its associated stories of a fall from heaven, to Satan. Most modern scholarship regards these interpretations as questionable, and translates the term in the relevant Bible passage (Isaiah 14:12) as "morning star" or "shining one" rather than as a proper name, "Lucifer".[1] wikipedia

John 18:36 Jesus said, "My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jewish leaders. But now my kingdom is from another place."

"beast" in the book of Revelations is metaphor for laws of government. Mark as in give a mark for identification: mark of the beast means identification for taxation and government control .

Written almost 2000 years ago in metaphor and riddles not always understood.

It also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads, so that they could not buy or sell unless they had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of its name. Revelations 13:16-17

@Word The Gods of the old religion become the devils of the new religion.